Clint Brewer and Mayor Andy Ogles Analyze How Left and Right Are Finding Common Ground

Clint Brewer and Mayor Andy Ogles Analyze How Left and Right Are Finding Common Ground


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Clint Brewer and Maury County Mayor Andy Ogles in studio to ponder how the left and right are beginning to find similarities as liberal policies prove too radical.

Leahy: In studio, Clint Brewer, the original all-star panelist, and Andy Ogles mayor of Maury County. That’s an interesting interview we just had with Naomi Wolf.

Ogles: I’ve never met her. And I’m sure Clint, we were talking offline that she was an advisor to Gore.

Leahy: In 2000.

Ogles: She was banned by Twitter. I’d love to meet her and shake her hand. It’s like a badge of honor. (Leahy laughs) Like, holy cow. We may not agree on a lot of issues, but kudos to her for having an opinion that kind of cuts across the grain.

Now, I will say trying to be objective is that I look at my friends on the left and how fervently they will defend the Constitution when it fits their narrative, and when they want to change policy, they’re more than willing to attack the Constitution and to label a breathing document and to throw it out the freaking window.

Brewer: The Bill of Rights is not an a la cart menu. You don’t get to pick and choose what you like.

Leahy: I think I’ll cite the Constitution on this argument and forget it on the other argument.

Brewer: Well, honestly, whenever I hear somebody in a public debate or to say I’m a strict Constitutionalist, I’m immediately suspicious of that person because I’m sure there’s something in there that they don’t want to uphold.

And that happens on both sides of the aisle. But the mayor’s point is well taken. These issues do cut across the grain. You look at her past stance on abortion and now talking about medical freedom, they don’t entirely reconcile.

Ogles: It’s like a game show. I’ll take the Second Amendment for 100, please. (Leahy laughs) It doesn’t work that way. It’s all one document. And, you know, and I would argue that there is no First Amendment without the Second Amendment. They go together, they go hand in hand.

Leahy: That’s interesting because, you know, during my week off, I did some reading on English kings, the Plantagenets after William the Conqueror, and then the Tutors and The War of Roses.

Brewer: Some light vacation reading, Mike?

Leahy: Well, for me, it’s light reading. It’s fun.

But what’s interesting about that is back to your point, you don’t have a First Amendment without a Second Amendment, you know, the right to bear arms. And throughout history, it’s always been about who has the power. Who has the military force?

And if the person wielding that military force is evil or corrupt, it’s bad news if they have superior forces. And if you look at that 500 year period of English history, sometimes the winner was a good King and sometimes not a good King. It’s what we have here right now in the world today.

Brewer: I don’t know that you can preserve democracy like what America attempts to do. You’re in and you’re out without having an armed citizenry.

Leahy: You’ve got to have an armed citizenry. No question about it.

Brewer: The government, whether it’s a party on the left or the party on the right, it has to know that people have the right to defend their homes and defend themselves. And I think it changes the way they do things over the decades.

Ogles: Our government operates at the consent of the governed, but there are folks on the left, especially that have forgotten that notion. I love the Constitution. I love our republic will defend the republic.

But at the same token, for those that are trying to divide this country, they need to understand something and that is the majority of the Fortune 500 corporations are now in the South and the Midwest.

The South and the Midwest don’t need the Northeast. We don’t need California. They can go to hell. We can do this without them. Now, I’m not advocating for any kind of sedition or anything like that.

But what I’m saying is we have an economic might here, and it’s time for the conservative state to stand together.

Leahy: I will tell you many California refugees who have arrived here in Tennessee will tell you California already is hell. (Laughter) That’s why they’re leaving, right?

Brewer: Yeah, of course, but now they’re going into all the hot chicken places and asking for gluten-free hot chicken. (Laughter)

Leahy: Did you just make that up or is that a thing?

Brewer: I imagine it’s happening somewhere.

Leahy: It probably is because this is one of the challenges, right? Tennessee is thriving because it is a bastion of freedom or aspires to be a bastion of freedom. We’ve got no state income tax.

And now one of the challenges is as all of these Californians come in, and it’s mostly Californians, at least here in Middle Tennessee, there are some from Illinois and New York and Connecticut you hear this complaint? Well, that’s not how we do it in California. (Whispers) Go back to California.

Brewer: I know I was in contact with a family through other circumstances, not related to work or professional pursuits, but they said, well, we haven’t left our home since March. I mean, the guidelines there.

I just think it’s open some people’s eyes up to the fact that there is a different way to live and you can come to states like Tennessee and enjoy it. Speaking of opening people’s eyes up. It’s very interesting to have a conversation with Naomi.

I never thought that Naomi Wolf would be a frequent guest on The Tennessee Star Report because, of course, she was, you know, Al Gore, whatever advisor. I don’t know what she advised him on. Maybe on how to dress or something like that.

Ogles: Did she also help invent the Internet?

Brewer: I was hoping to get a play-by-play on how the Internet was created. I do think it’s fascinating. I think it just shows that the pandemic has created some issues socially and from a governance standpoint that I think the mayor used the phrase off the air that they sort of cut across the grain. It’s like the streams are crossing.

Leahy: I think that’s right. It is. And when we have Naomi Wolf on, you see, that happening to a degree but not fully because there are some elements of I don’t know what you might call it. Left-wing theology that she finds hard to abandon, perhaps.

Brewer: I think ideology. I wouldn’t call it theology. You wouldn’t call theology?

Brewer: No. It suggests maybe it involves the divine.

Leahy: I think it’s their view. I use the word theology to describe their adherence to it. The fact to the contrary, that’s sort of funny and obviously reasoning.

Ogles: They’re very polarized right now. You have those on the left and those on the right. And I think most people would peg me on the right and she’s probably somewhere on the left. But this whole idea of medical freedom and the liberties and the shutdown, etcetera, those people that are, in the ‘middle’, those people that self identify as independence, they’re shifting right I think.

And this is just my personal opinion for this next cycle. And so you see, in Texas, we’re winning a county. A Republican Mayor in a blue county on the border of Texas.

Leahy: McAllen, Texas.

Ogles: Hidalgo County. Hillary won it by 40 points. And suddenly they now have a GOP Mayor. What? And so I think that’s the canary in the coal mine that some of these issues, whether it’s immigration reform or medical freedom or shutdowns, you could see not just in Tennessee, in Texas, but in Pennsylvania and across the country this red wave hit the country. I think you could see a sweep in the U.S. House.

Brewer: No, I think you’re right, mayor. The midterms are always dangerous for the party that just won the presidency. So already, historically, you’ve got a pretty big risk involved.

And President Biden came out I think it was last week and said, everybody wants us to move so fast on this progressive agenda, but our margins are pretty thin in both Houses. For his faults, he’s a realist when it comes to legislation. And I think he understands the challenges he’s up against.

Leahy: When he’s couchant.

Brewer: Yes, when he’s couchant. I think they’re doing a really good job of that White House of staying on message at least and having a lot of message discipline, which Biden is not known for.

Leahy: Apparently, part of that message discipline was not acknowledging D-Day.

Brewer: That wasn’t particularly good.

Leahy: So they missed that one. That is their message, though I suppose.

Ogles: Sometimes it’s not what you say, it’s what you don’t say. That’s deafening. When you see this administration not honoring those who served in such a monumental moment in history, not just for the U.S., but for Europe and the Pacific, that says a lot about this administration.

Leahy: Yes. And none of it good.

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All Star Panelist Clint Brewer Ponders the Fate of the Republican Party

All Star Panelist Clint Brewer Ponders the Fate of the Republican Party


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Clint Brewer to the studio to discuss the replacement of Liz Cheney and the mechanics of a Republican Party destiny.

(Rep. Elise Stefanik clip plays)

Leahy: And that is Elise Stefanik who is the Congresswoman representing the congressional district in far Northern New York, where I used to live as a kid. And now last week, the big news, the political news in Washington, they threw Liz Cheney out of the conference chair position.

The number three position in the House of Representatives and replaced her with Elise Stefanik. Now, I think from a messaging point of view, Stefanik is absolutely on point. And Cheney was absolutely off point. What does this mean for the Republican Party’s future, Clint?

Brewer: Well, I mean, it’s a gamble, right? You could say that about anything in politics. But for this moment in time right now, I think she’s more on message for that House caucus. And I think the move was made because the House members who always have to seek reelection every two years, I think they’re looking to talk more about Democrats going into the midterms than they are a person in their own caucus. It had to do more fundraising in taking the House back than it did anybody’s ideology.

Leahy: Liz Cheney is the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney under George W. Bush. She kind of got handed that seat in Wyoming. She’s not really from Wyoming.

Brewer: I think a lot of people get handed their seats in politics. (Laughs)

Leahy: I don’t disagree.

Brewer: That’s not unusual.

Leahy: We can’t criticize her too much about that. What was her thinking to go so far in attacking President Trump, and do we counter to the leadership, why did she think that was a good idea that would have a good outcome for her?

Brewer: I’m not sure she cared. I don’t think she did it because she thought it was politically savvy or a good idea. I think she did because it was her conviction. I think she believes it, and it’s her honest viewpoint. I know that’s an outlier in politics to actually share your honest viewpoint, but I think she’s just being honest with people about what she thought because it certainly didn’t help her any. So she wasn’t doing some desire to get ahead politically. I think she’s just telling what she felt like to be the truth.

Leahy: I think her duty, though, to me, if you’re going to be the number three person in the House, you should follow the party line. I think she probably should have resigned and then criticized Trump. But then she wouldn’t have got the visibility.

Brewer: That’s the gamble. So you see Cheney on one end of it, you see Stefanik and McCarthy on the other end of it. The gamble is you’re going to double down on your position. And there’s a fight for the party right now and which way it’s going to break. The House is a what have you done for me lately environment. They got to run.

Leahy: They’re running all the time.

Brewer: They are always running. They never start running.

Leahy: My hats off to all of the Republican members of the House of Representatives serving now because it’s a very frustrating job because it’s all being run dictatorially by Nancy Pelosi. They can’t get anything accomplished.

The only thing they can really do is to try to help in a year and a half, turn the House over and get Republicans in control. I think it’s a tough job. A frustrating job.

Brewer: Look, it’s a tough job if you’re in the majority. I mean, you’re always running. I think the standard stat that’s out there is in order to get re-elected to the House, you have to raise about $10,000 a day.

Leahy: That is a miserable existence.

Brewer: Yes it is.

Leahy: It really is.

Brewer: But, I mean, look, to your point about the party, the party right now is fractured. It’s trying to decide what the long-term prospects of the Donald Trump worldview are. And I think there are some people in the party, like Cheney, who disagree with it vehemently.

I think that every day that passes that former President Trump’s out of power and I think that worldview probably has a little less impact.

Leahy: I disagree. I think it’s gotten even more. I look at the polls in terms of Republicans and his support is as high as it’s ever been. Number one. Number two. Did you notice this? He’s going to start doing his rallies again.

Brewer: I did. And it’s going to be interesting to see how they go. I think early on, they’ll go really well, I just don’t believe it’s sustainable. I mean, you saw Reverend Franklin Graham come out and say, I don’t know if he’s going to be well enough health-wise and have the energy and the vigor needed to run again.

Leahy: Really? I missed that part of it. I’ve not heard that there are any health problems.

Brewer: I mean, he’s just his age. He’s reaching into advanced age.

Leahy: He’ll be about Joe Biden’s age in 2024.

Brewer: And look at what everybody says about Biden. I mean, it’s not a dissimilar situation.

Leahy: But they are just so different in terms of energy levels, don’t you think?

Brewer: In a gentleman of that age, a couple of years can make a big difference.

Leahy: That’s absolutely true.

Brewer: From 74 on every year, you’re looking for diminished capacity. We’re witnessing it with Joe Biden. And I think the party has to decide if that’s really the direction it wants to go. I mean, you’ve got a lot of people stepping up.

We talked about it in the studio during the Georgia run-offs. You had a host of characters headed down there. (Leahy laughs)

Leahy: A host of characters. I like that. The usual suspects.

Brewer: The usual traditional displaying of plumage and ceremonial dances (Leahy laughs) that go along with sidling up to running for a major political office.

Leahy: That’s very good.

Brewer: And that’s what you saw. So I think you’ve got a number of U.S. senators interested in running. I think you’ve got members of his former cabinet who are interested in running.

Leahy: Mike Pompeo.

Brewer: Pompeo. Nikki Haley.

Leahy: She kind of self-destructed back there a little bit. Didn’t she?

Brewer: I think she’s probably more attuned to Liz Cheney than she is to Donald Trump in terms of her values. I think Stefanik and McCarthy. I mean, look at McCarthy before Trump, he was just kind of a templated neocon.

Leahy: A templated neocon. That’s very good.

Brewer: He was not a Trump populist, but he got on the bandwagon, and that’s what it is. It’s a bandwagon and bandwagons run out of steam and they run out of gas. They stop eventually.

Leahy: Now you talked about governors and we have some governors coming to Nashville in a couple of weeks. The Republican Governors Association.

Brewer: Big event.

Leahy: That we’re trying to get a ticket to for interviews. The leadership now in the Republican Party of action is at the level of governors. And, of course, the number one guy people think of Ron DeSantis in Florida.

Brewer: Well, I agree. And I think DeSantis is an interesting position. A lot of the knocks on Republicans have been how we’ve comported ourselves during the pandemic, and Florida has done really well. He’s made all the right moves. He managed it very well at the state level.

Leahy: By the way, the legacy media in Florida hate his guts.

Brewer: Oh yeah.

Leahy: Totally hate him. That’s one of the reasons why we started as our seventh title at the Star News Network. We started The Florida Capital Star and getting great stories out of there. A big story today, Jeb “low energy” Bush former governor there, that guy. He has come out and criticized Governor DeSantis for his support of online gambling for the Seminole Nation.

That’s become a bill down there, sports betting. And Jeb Bush has come out vigorously opposing that. I don’t think that helps. I don’t know why Jeb is doing that. But I think it’s popular, frankly, down there. DeSantis is doing a lot of popular things.

Brewer: Well, it’s popular everywhere. Human beings like to gamble. I think that’s something you can say pretty affirmatively no matter where you are, people find a way to gamble. Is it the best thing for society? I don’t know. But not entirely. But is it something we really have a right to tell people no on? Not really. Can the government regulate it and tax it so it’s not completely destructive. I mean, there’s a role there.

Leahy: And it’s online all kinds of gambling, not just sports doing down there. Well, it’s very interesting. We’re going to try to get Governor DeSantis in studio here in the next couple of weeks. Maybe Kristi Noem and a few others.

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Clint Brewer: Masks Are the Left Wing’s New MAGA Hat as People Forget the Science Behind Mandates

Clint Brewer: Masks Are the Left Wing’s New MAGA Hat as People Forget the Science Behind Mandates


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Clint Brewer to the studio to discuss the mask mandate confusion and why people are still wearing masks even after vaccination and changing guidelines.

Leahy: We are in for a treat this morning. In studio with us, all-star panelist, recovering journalist, and public relations expert Clint Brewer is in studio. Good morning, Clint.

Brewer: Hey, good morning, Mike. How are you?

Leahy: Confused about the mask mandates. Am I alone in that?

Brewer: No, you’re not. I saw something on social media. I thought it was really interesting. Somebody said that masks have become the left-wing of politics in this country’s equivalent of the MAGA hat. Which is like a declaration of your beliefs. (Leahy laughs) Except that the mask actually has medical significance in the MAGA hat is just a hat.

So it’s become an extension of people’s beliefs. And I got to say that the hype of the pandemic I wore a mask, I follow the rules. But now I’m not really sure what the rules are. I know that we’re not supposed to have to wear masks s if you’re vaccinated. But I sure get a lot of dirty looks for not wearing them.

Leahy: Well, you think it’s because you’re not wearing them, you get the dirty looks, but it might be something else. I don’t know.

Brewer: It could be.

Leahy: I know. In my case, it’s not just the mass sometimes. I don’t know where all this stuff is. My view has been that the science, it doesn’t support the masks. In fact, I think there was one study Tucker Carlson said that they might be more harmful than not. But again, I’m not not a scientist and I don’t play on on TV.

Brewer: I subscribe to the theory of call on God, but roll away from the rocks. (Leahy laughs) So my attitude is, well, I’m not a scientist. I’m not really sure. But if wearing one gives me a little bit better chance of making out of the pandemic unscathed that I’ll just wear one.

Leahy: And clearly, the polling shows that the public has supported the wearing of masks. It’s like 60% to 40 percent.

Brewer: It’s not fun.

Leahy: It’s symbolic. At least you are doing something.

Brewer: The problem is, is it’s become a symbol and that’s the issue. It’s supposed to be a functional medical necessity during a very difficult time in American and world history. But now it’s become a thing where people are continuing to wear them and continuing to use them even when they don’t have to.

And businesses are enforcing the use of them, even when Joe Biden himself is telling you that you don’t have to wear one if you’ve been vaccinated.

Leahy: The Center for Disease Control has said they’re lifting the mask mandate if you’ve been vaccinated.

Brewer: Even indoors and in crowds.

Leahy: Okay. But, they also said that you must wear masks in schools. So again, for the balance of this year and then this academic here. Schools have been inconsistent. And, by the way, the science is kids are not really at risk.

Brewer: No, not really. I mean, they are, but they aren’t. Like they can get it and it be very symptomatic. There are other cases where it hasn’t been.

Leahy: So in Williamson County, they said, well, we’re going to wear masks for the rest of the school year.

Brewer: It’s most of the school systems in this area.

Leahy: Except for the balance of the year, it’s almost over. It’s Friday. But in Metro Nashville, kids will continue to wear masks for this school year and indefinitely thereafter. At least that’s what we’ve been able to, ascertain in a story by Corrine Murdock. They’re interpreting it differently in Metro Nashville.

Brewer: Well, I think you’re probably going to see some pushback from members of the school board. I wouldn’t be surprised if our colleague and friend Fran Bush has something to say about it.

Leahy: The one member of the Metro Nashville Public School board who will come in studio and talk with us.

Brewer: I understand the abundance of caution, but at some point…here’s the thing that I don’t get. If during the height of the pandemic, we were all asked to believe the science, which I will freely admit I did. I bought into it and I’m glad I did.

I can’t say 100 percent who was right and who was wrong. I just know it worked for me. Okay. I wore a mask. I stayed home when I was supposed to and socially distant. I did everything I was supposed to do. And I didn’t get it. My family didn’t get it.

And everybody’s okay. So all I can say is whether it was overkill or not, it worked for me. But we were told to believe the science then so why don’t we believe the science now?

Leahy: Gee.

Brewer: I don’t get it. I don’t get it because I’m sick a wearing a mask, and I’ve been vaccinated. And I’m going to the grocery store on Saturdays, and it’s still full of people wearing masks. And now I’m getting the side-eye from people.

I’m like, look, I’m doing what I’m supposed to. If you want to keep wearing that thing, go ahead. But that period is over. And so Biden said, look, he said that you got two options, wear a mask or get vaccinated. Of course, the third eye options not to do either.

And there are plenty of people doing that. But guess what? We’ve now entered a period with the pandemic where we’re back to personal responsibility. It’s on you because let me tell you, in Tennessee, it is easy to get a vaccine.

I’ll say this about our state government and about our hospital system and about our health care system in this state. It’s very easy to get a vaccination.  There is no barrier unless you have a transportation problem. And I think even then…

Leahy: You can call up the Health Department and somebody will probably come and get you.

Brewer: You can get a Lyft or an Uber paid for in many cases by the government.

Leahy: I think you nailed. The whole mask thing is a symbol of what your political ideology is right now.

Brewer: Which is ridiculous and that obscures the whole point of the thing to begin with.

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The Christian Left: Author Lucas Miles Highlights New Book and Exposes the Continued Progressive Drift of the Church

The Christian Left: Author Lucas Miles Highlights New Book and Exposes the Continued Progressive Drift of the Church


Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –host Leahy welcomed author Lucas Miles to the show to discuss his new book The Christian Left and the progressive far-left Christian movement that continues to drift further.

Leahy: And on the line now by the author of a new book, hot off the press. Was published on Tuesday of this week. His name is Lucas Miles, and the book title, it’s been a book that should have been out there a long time ago is, The Christian Left: How Liberal Thought Has Hijacked the Church. Welcome, Lucas Miles.

Miles: Gentlemen, thanks for having me.

Leahy: Why did you decide to write this book? It’s been much needed. But why did you decide it was time to write the book?

Miles: You wouldn’t believe the number of thank yous I’ve already received. And this is only the first week of release, just people feeling the same way. Like many, I have seen this growing constituency with The New York Times called the Ascendant Liberal Christianity that has been on the rise of believers and oftentimes Bino believers in name only who are embracing Liberal theology, progressive ideology, and at times Marxist theory that is drawing them further and further away from the teachings of Jesus and really more into this sort of socialist sort of amalgamation of Christianity. And it’s concerning. And I wanted to really provide a roadmap for believers and Conservatives, to how they find their way back to Orthodox Christianity.

Leahy: Have you just coined a new phrase, Bino believers in name only?

Miles: Perhaps I have. You’ve headed here first.

Leahy: You heard it here first. Broad Street Publishing. That’s a pretty good publishing outfit.

Miles: They’ve been fabulous. They’ve been really just a great partner on this.

Leahy: How did you get the deal with them?

Miles: You know, like a lot of things. I mean, it’s the overnight success, 10 years in the making. I’ve known a couple of their team for a few years now.

I was with another publisher on my last book that was actually based in Nashville. And they kind of started courting me over the last few years. And I originally was going to write an entirely different book. And about two years ago, I just saw this sort of on the rise and just really felt impressed that I needed to deal with this topic of progressive Christianity.

I’m in a red state. I’m in Indiana, but a blue county with Mayor Pete Buttigieg. So with our Mayor here, I watched this sort of pseudo-Christianity talk from his campaign for the last few years developing. And I saw this starting to become an issue across the country. And so we started talking about it at Broad Street and made things work. And they’ve just been a tremendous partner on this project.

Leahy: I became aware of this back in 2012, 2013 when a group called the Evangelical Immigration Table that got some funding through various George Soros groups that came and said, well, we need open borders because that is what Jesus Christ would have prayed. Of course, if you look in the Bible, that’s plenty of scriptures that say, no, you have to have sovereign countries. Are you familiar with Jim Wallace at Sojourners? Is he featured in your book?

Miles: Jim gets a mention or two. He’s not a major focus. I didn’t want to name names when I first wrote this and I shared it with a few people I really trust. And they said, Lucas, the book is so needed but you have to be more specific. And I went in and I added another chapter called The Christian Cabal. And I talked about in many ways guys that are just Christian elite, like Wallace and Jonathan Merit and others that have really been behind the scenes pushing Christianity more and more towards these progressive beliefs.

And I think that people need to be aware of this and really be on their guard against some of this. Even a lot of our Christian publishers, a lot of our Christian universities have given themselves over to critical race theory.

Leahy: Do you talk about the former aide to a Democratic congressman who now heads up the Ethics and Public Policy Committee of the Southern Baptist Commission Russell Moore? Do you talk about him?

Miles: Russell is mentioned as well. Yes. And I mean other individuals. Beth Moore, I think if somebody that people have a growing concern about is moving further left. And Hey, look, this is not about my brand of Christianity is the perfect doctrine. There is a thing called orthodoxy that it’s a pretty wide pool that we all get to play in. But the moment we start disconnecting ourselves from scripture, disconnecting ourselves from the infallibility of the word God, Christian beliefs have been held for 2,000 years.

And we’re seeing people like Moore and really Beth Moore as well. Matthew Paul Turner, who is the editor, I believe, for CCM magazine for years. A lot of these guys are just drifting further and further left, and it’s really beginning to share a message that is completely antithetical to Christianity.

Leahy: Certainly not Orthodox. What has happened to Beth Moore? She’s been around for 20 or 30 years. She was very popular. She did a lot of women’s Bible studies groups. But she’s gotten off into, I don’t know, it seems to me sort of like and we’ll probably hear from some Beth Moore fans about this and probably try to have her on some time. I don’t think she would come on, but she seems now to have become totally woke in and filled with left-wing ideology, conflating it to the Christian gospel.

Miles: As a Christian, I look at her Twitter feed and about every four or five posts, I go, hey, I can get on board with that. But in between, there is exactly what you described. It’s a lot of woke doctrine, and woke concepts. and she seems to have just become sort of a mouthpiece for left-wing policies and left-wing progressive ideology. And it’s concerning. I’m not somebody who says you can’t be a Democrat and be a Christian.

But I think it’s hard to be a disciple and be a Democrat. I think that things like pro-choice doctrine and LGBT agenda, these things are antithetical to scripture. We have to really be on guard. It’s one thing to be pro-Union or maybe see some policy. And again, the Democratic Party 20 years ago is not the Democratic Party of today. And that’s the thing about progressivism is it keeps progressing further and further and further.

You know, 20 years from now will probably think that a lot of these people seem like moderates compared to the people that are coming down the pipe. But this is why it’s so important that we tether ourselves to something called truth. And I believe as a Christian, the only place to find that is in the word of God.

Leahy: Many of our listeners have been Church attendees for their whole life. I’ve found trying to find a Church where you’re not going to get social justice ideology preached at you, just incessantly has become increasingly difficult. What advice do you have for people that find themselves in that circumstance?

Miles: Absolutely. At the end of this book, The Christian Left,  I provide sort of a roadmap, a list of questions that you can ask of your Church or your pastor or just kind of assess to really see, is my Church starting to drift that way? Things like, does my Church still teach about Salvation? How do they respond to cultural issues such as same-sex attraction and transgenderism?

Do they still stand for pro-life values or have they given over to this pro-choice mindset? What’s their view of immigration. What’s their view of really the sovereign state. These sort of things that the Bible clearly teaches. And I think that it’s important to really check out a Church and listen to the teaching. Don’t just pick a Church for the Kids Ministry or for how cool the band is. It really comes down to what is the message, and we have to ground ourselves in that to make sure that ourselves as well as our children have not really been led astray in this.

Leahy: Lucas Miles, author of The Christian Left, thanks so much for joining us. And come back again, if you would, please.

Miles: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Blue State Blues: All-Star Panelist Clint Brewer Talks About the Consistent Migration to Tennessee

Blue State Blues: All-Star Panelist Clint Brewer Talks About the Consistent Migration to Tennessee


Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Clint Brewer in studio to weigh in on the growth spurt that continues in Tennessee due to a re-locating caravan of blue state refugees.

Leahy: We are joined in studio by our very good friend all-star panelist, Clint Brewer, recovering journalist, who gives me advice on pitfalls to avoid. And I follow that advice very very often. Thank you for that. But I wanted to talk about for a minute, Clint, what’s happening here in Nashville, despite all of the bad policies of Mayor John Cooper Nashville, for a number of reasons outside of Nashville and some inside of Nashville, it’s growing like crazy. California is going nuts. Illinois is going nuts. New York’s gone nuts. These bad blue states are basically creating refugees who want to run a business where they’re not going to be interfered with.

Brewer: And it’s been that way for a while. I spent five years in Governor Haslam’s administration doing economics.

Leahy: That’s right. You did. You’ve seen this.

Brewer: I’ve witnessed this up close and personal. I mean, New York, Illinois, California have fed more businesses to the state of Tennessee in last 10 years, probably than any other state ever has.

Leahy: We should send a thank you note to Governor Newsom in California.

Brewer: It’s the low tax rate. It’s the low corporate tax rates, the general affordability of land. It’s a willingness of governments to be partners with businesses rather than be in opposition to them. And it’s a lifestyle choice for a lot of people’s families and a lot of employers’ families. You can find really great schools here. And it’s just a more laid-back way to live.

Leahy: You can find houses here in Middle Tennessee that are less expensive than the houses being sold in California. But what a hot market this is?

Brewer: Yeah, it is a hot market. All the people moving here have certainly heated up the real estate market. I mean, it’s hot for this area. The appreciation rate is high, but it’s still cheaper to live in than the vast majority of other places in the country.

Leahy: And by the way, that no state income tax, you can’t beat it.

Brewer: I mean, it’s the best recruiting tool we’ve got.

Leahy: It absolutely is a great recruiting tool. Apparently, Oracle likes it. Now they have a few hurdles to overcome. But I guess on Tuesday night, the Metro Nashville Council unanimously approved the things they had to do to get Oracle in here for the first step.

Brewer: Oracle has been in the economic development pipeline for a while, and it’s a big win for the state. Kudos to Nashville for showing so well and winning the deal. It’s good to see the Cooper administration sort of getting back into the ring on economic development. That’s encouraging. And when a company can do business anywhere and they decide to do business in Tennessee, it says a lot about our business environment.

It says a lot about our workforce, and it says a lot about the potential for the state. We’re becoming a hub for tech, which are high-paying jobs, which is what you need now. There are some challenges policy-wise with it. And I think some of the residents of the East Bank are right to be worried that they’re going to be crowded out.

Leahy: I think it’s inevitable.

Brewer: Well, it may be, but, I mean, we can’t just drive people willy nilly out of the county. We’ve got to figure out a way to do both. To allow people to stay in the county and to recruit economically.

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