Live from Music Row Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Crom Carmichael and lead political columnist for The Epoch Times, Roger Simon to the studio to speculate what will occur in the upcoming joint session of Congress and the illegal election law changes made by specific states. They also discussed whether or not criminal penalties will be mandated going forward for any future unlawful changes.

Leahy: Welcome back to the Tennessee Star Report. I am joined in the studio here by Crom Carmichael and Roger Simon. We were talking a little bit about what’s going to happen on Wednesday. Crom when these 12 senators get up and it looks like over a hundred members of the House get up in the joint session chaired by Vice President Pence. When they get up and say okay, we’re not going to we’re going to eject to the certification the six states and we want you to set up this 10-day commission to do an audit. What do you think’s going to happen?

Carmichael: Well, I think a lot depends on who gets to vote how and how the vote is tabulated. I don’t think Pelosi will go for a commission. (Simon laughs) I mean, I don’t you know, I don’t think she will. And so the question then becomes in this is what we talking about before. I don’t know what the procedure is. Based on what I heard on Maria Bartiromo’s show is that there are five minutes of debate for each state.

So if there are six states that are contested then you take whatever the amount is that you’re debating for a state and multiply that by six. So that can slow things down considerably. And also put a lot of people on the spot. Because this will all be on the public record. I think that this is being done for a variety of reasons and the most important is that the American people need transparency. We absolutely had transparency in the 2000 election.

That vote got counted I think three times and the Democrats wanted to continue to count four times. In this case, there’s been frankly as close as you can get to a cover-up of the actual breaking of the laws that were passed by the legislatures of at least five of the six states. Because we know Nevada went back into session and then change their laws, but they did it legislatively. We know the other five states, it was not the legislature that changed the law as it was it was election officials or Secretary’s of State or people who didn’t have the authority to change the law.

Leahy: The usurpers of liberty. Roger, what do you think is going to happen?

Simon: Well, I don’t know but I do know this which is interesting is that this new proposal has been in the works for a couple of weeks under the table. Ted Cruz and our Senator Marsha Blackburn and others.

Leahy: And Senator Bill Hagerty from Tennessee.

Simon: Well, no, I know he signed on but I’m talking about also people who have been working on this for two weeks as a plan. This is not thrown out there at the last minute.

Leahy: It’s a very good plan in my view.

Simon: It is I agree. So either in the macro two things are going to happen. It will be pushed aside or something will be accepted from it. But more than likely it will be pushed aside because as you say Nancy Pelosi is, as you know, one of the most despicable hard ballplayers ever to come along in American politics.

Leahy: That’s a great description of her and quite accurate.

Simon: And she doesn’t care about the people but here I mean she just cares about her ice cream. (Leahy laughs) But the great thing about this is it cannot possibly go away. And I think we have a reference point in the idiot Trump rush of collusion business when the truth ultimately came out that it was all nonsense. In this case, I think it’s even more dangerous and I think this is going to be talked about as long as we live.

Carmichael: I have a question. You have these five state legislators, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, right? And let’s just throw in North Carolina because it’s controlled by Republicans also. The legislature is. Will these legislators when they come back into session pass legislation that puts the campaign laws in stone and includes Draconian penalties for any public official that tries to usurp their authority?

As an example, if you get some Secretary of State again who wants to change it in the midterms and tries to change it and it’s 20 years in jail for even attempting to change the law. Because what the problem is is that is it nobody gets in trouble for breaking campaign laws. There is just not any trouble. You might get slapped on the wrist. But if you’re if frankly if you’re a Democrat and you do it you get paid. I mean you get slapped on the wrist.

Simon: I think some Republicans got paid too. But that will all come out in the wash.

Carmichael: They like to bring up the one in North Carolina who was a Democrat who had been cheating for like eight for the last eight elections and got mad at the Democrats. And so I said watch what I do. I’m going to cheat for the other guys and they said well, he already knew what he did so they caught him. So what are the Republicans…When have Republicans…

Simon: That’s the situation with Raffensberger in Georgia right now.

Carmichael: Let me change that then.

Leahy: Compromised if it were.

Carmichael: Republicans cheating on behalf of Republicans. (Laughter)

Leahy: Done on the behalf of Democrats.

Carmichael: I’m talking about Republicans who had been caught cheating on behalf of Republicans.

Leahy: Let me just interject here. The couple elements of this, Crom. The long-term solution is, and Roger we played a clip earlier from a guy in 2007 who said we got to go back to paper ballots! He’s not saying the same thing today. His name was Joe Biden, by the way. But one of the things that we’ve got to do here, right now long-term, is we’ve got to fix our election process so it’s paper ballot, in-person voting. That is the best way to avoid fraud.

Carmichael: Michael what I’m saying, is that requires the legislators of these states to do that. And then the question is when they do that do they then add to the legislation that anyone who attempts to change this is guilty of a crime?

Leahy: I think that’s brewing long term in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. However, you know, we’ve got Democratic Governors currently.

Carmichael: They don’t sign the legislation.

Leahy: Well, they actually do sign the law actually as it relates to…

Carmichael: That’s not what the Constitution says.

Leahy: When it comes to the federal election of a president you are correct. But in terms of the state law, the statute does require the governor’s signature but can be overridden. But I want to go on to one other point here Crom. What’s happening right now between now and Wednesday is there are calls as you know. I wrote about the call with the President was on with 300 state legislators on Saturday and told them to look at the evidence and consider de-certifying.

There are efforts right now over the next 24 to 48 hours to have legislators convene to get a majority of the legislature even if the leadership isn’t supportive and say we’re going to send a letter to the Vice President saying we’ve convened in Georgia and we’re sending a different slate that goes to Pence. And on that note, we’re going to close out the program today.

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