Leahy: In-studio with the official guest host of The Tennessee Star Report and our lead political reporter at The Tennessee Star on the web at tennesseestar.com. So just a reminder, Aaron, you’re going to be covering the event tonight, the big Epoch Times 5th Congressional District Republican candidate debate.
It’s going to be downtown. You can get tickets, free tickets. Go to Eventbrite. Just plug in The Epoch Times debate. Also sponsored by Young Republicans of Nashville and the Nashville Republican Women.
Two of the major candidates are dodging the debate – Beth Harwell and retired Brigadier General Kurt Winstead. Three will be there.
Andy Ogles, mayor of Maury County. Jeff Beierlein, a former major in the army and combat veteran, and Trace Wittum, the State Senate aide.
So they’ll be there, but Winstead and Harwell will not be there. It’s going to have an unusual format. It’s going to be livestreamed across the nation by The Epoch Times, and subject matter experts, including Carol Swain on education, Gordon Chang on China, and Hans von Spakovsky on election integrity will be there.
It should be quite an interesting event. You’ll be there. You’ll be covering and reporting it. I’ll be there just observing and learning.
So there’s that. Can you give us an update on the process by which the Tennessee Supreme Court is going about identifying and making public information available about the candidates they are considering for the next attorney general of the State of Tennessee?
The constitution gives the Tennessee Supreme Court, in a very unusual way – only state in the union where it’s done – the attorney general of the state is selected by the Supreme Court, which of course is appointed by the governor and confirmed by the General Assembly.
Herb Slatery, the current attorney general, said he’s not going to go for another eight-year term. We’re at July 12th. We have no idea what the Supreme Court is doing on this. Do you call them like every day? And what do they say?
Gulbransen: Crickets, that’s what they say. They say nothing. Back in May, we reached out and they said the information would be forthcoming. We spoke with their press department over at the state Supreme Court. They said the information will be forthcoming in a couple of weeks. And now we are here on July 12th and we still hear nothing.
Leahy: Crickets, this Tennessee Supreme Court, and this is an example of the constitutional flaw that we have in the Tennessee Constitution that gives one branch of government exclusively the ability to appoint a very important job in the executive branch, which really shouldn’t have anything to do with the judicial branch, the attorney general’s office.
And yet institutionally, the Tennessee Supreme Court is jealously guarding this prerogative embedded in our constitution and frankly, they’re not providing transparency to the process. Why do Tennesseans care about it?
Well, because the attorney general is an important job and the attorney general should fight aggressively for the Tenth Amendment rights of the state of Tennessee and for every Tennessee citizen against the ongoing encroachments of the national federal government.
Gulbransen: And I think that recent issues created by the Biden administration – of course, they tried to implement a nationwide vaccine mandate for people working for companies that had a hundred or more people, things like that – have put the attorney general’s role of each state in the country under an increased microscope.
So I’m also seeing an undercurrent of people who are calling for the General Assembly to hold advisory, informal hearings on the next attorney general in order to give the public a chance to sort of vet this.
Again, that would be informal and advisory. But the public and their representatives, it is very fair to wonder how the next attorney general or the applicants for that job would answer questions on federal overreach.
I would be interested since I’ve reported a lot on it. Would they take up the cause of the National Guardsmen and sue the federal government?
Leahy: Herb Slatery is not taking up their charge.
Gulbransen: No. And they won’t comment on that one either, by the way.
Leahy: Yeah, so this is all not good, and it’s lacking transparency in this instance. We’re calling for checks and balances institutionally, which are not embedded in the constitution. The Supreme Court.
The Tennessee Supreme Court is resisting that. The governor is not commenting on it. The person who is rumored to be the rubber stamp that the governor wants, who is a center-left judge and now Chief Operating Officer of the state, Brandon Gibson, is not commenting on what her philosophy is.
I have some interesting news, though, that just developed. If you look at this, Aaron, what we find is, although the Tennessee State Constitution specifies the manner by which the attorney general and reporter – only statewide, the attorney general and reporter – essentially the clerk of the Supreme Court, is that the reporter duties, the process by which that person is selected, is exclusively the province of the Tennessee Supreme Court.
The duties and responsibilities of the attorney general do not lie in the Supreme Court. They are actually defined by statute; that is, by the Tennessee General Assembly.
And just as the Tennessee General Assembly provides those duties and responsibilities, it could, and might, take those duties away.
Gulbransen: So all the more reason for them to have an advisory capacity, at the very least in order to help select the next attorney general, since they can, to paraphrase what you just said, they can give it, and they can take away the responsibilities.
Leahy: Well, and they could create a new position, as was suggested here yesterday in the studio by John Harris.
The Tennessee General Assembly could remove almost all of the duties of the attorney general. They could keep the reporter’s duties to be the clerk of the Supreme Court and could create a new position.
John Harris suggested the solicitor general of the state of Tennessee. Give all the duties to represent the state of Tennessee and all the personnel could move it over to this new job, the solicitor general, and then the people would have an input into the philosophy of the person representing the interests of the state of Tennessee. That was a suggestion from John Harris.
Leahy: We are joined our newsmaker line now by our good friend, former State Representative Joe Carr, who’s now running for Rutherford County Mayor. Good morning, Joe Carr.
Carr: Good morning Michael, how are you today?
Leahy: I’m great. Joe, you and I have been friends for a long time. (Carr chuckles) I want to start out with this, in the words of Ronald Reagan, (Reagan’s voice) well, there you go again. You ran for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate in 2014.
You and I worked very closely at that time. I ran a little PAC called Beat Lamar, and we looked at a couple of candidates that would be worth endorsing. We looked at Kevin Coates and you, and Kevin, chose not to run.
Our group endorsed you and we had a group of kids that docked on doors and had a lot of fun. You did very well. You beat Lamar Alexander in 2014 soundly in Middle Tennessee, but you lost in East Tennessee and in West Tennessee.
You ended up coming very close. You lost 49 to 40. And that was, I think a lot of people would say the apex of your political career. Then in 2016, you challenged Diane Black. You got beat about two to one. In 2018, you ran for State Senate.
I don’t remember the exact numbers, but Shane Reeves defeated you handily then. Why, Joe, do you think it’s time for you to run again for office? And why are you choosing the Mayor of Rutherford County for that?
Carr: Well, first of all, you emitted a couple of things. First of all, in 2012, I was elected in the sixth congressional district as the only state Newt Gingrich delegate to the 2012 convention.
And then again in 2016, I was elected to the statewide convention as a convention delegate for Ted Cruz, getting more votes than anybody.
So what that illustrates, I think, is my desire to serve. And in every case, that you outlined, whether in victory or in defeat, as a state rep, as a delegate, as a candidate for U.S Senate, Congress, or State Senate, I’ve always been the underdog.
I’ve always been outspent, in some cases, 10 to one. And the reason that is is that I’m an outsider. I’ve always been an outsider. I’ve always been willing to take on the establishment. And the thought of losing doesn’t deter me from the task.
And the task is to do what’s right. And so while I hear what you’re saying and I hear it a lot, I’m not persuaded that it matters, especially when I am reminded of the words of Teddy Roosevelt in the Man in the Arena. And that gives me great comfort and encourages me.
And I would encourage your listeners to Google Man in the Arenaby Teddy Roosevelt, because essentially what it’s saying is the victory is to those who try, not but to those who stand on the sidelines and critique having never tried.
And so I don’t want to be one of those who stand on the sidelines and critique having never tried. I’m proud to be in this race like the other races, but I feel strongly this is something I should do and I’m not going to be deterred from it.
Leahy: So tell us about the incumbent. Who your challenger there Bill Ketron, the Mayor of Rutherford County. Now Rutherford County, growing like crazy, bigger than Chattanooga now, I think. And why is he doing a bad job? We got one minute, but just do the highlights and we’ll come back after the break with more.
Carr: Real quickly. It all has to do with his leadership and leadership style, and his inability to be transparent, open, and honest. And more specifically, on how Rutherford County is going to move forward in dealing with the solid waste management at Middle Point Landfill.
He has an RFP process that their request for proposal doesn’t solve the core problem in Rutherford County about what we’re going to do with all the trash that’s coming in from other counties into Rutherford County. I’m going to solve that problem.
Leahy: Joe, when is the election going to be held?
Carr: The primary is May 4, 2022.
Leahy: May 4, 2022. So you’re running in the Republican primary against Bill Ketron. Is that right?
Carr: That’s correct. Always a Republican. (Inaudible talk)
Leahy: Are you the only announced challenger as of this moment?
Carr: As far as I know. Yeah, that’s correct.
Leahy: So make the case. Why will you do a better job as Mayor of Rutherford County than Bill Ketron, who’s had a series of difficulties, both in terms of his own insurance companies?
His daughter got in some trouble, significant trouble, actually. And then also some election law irregularities that have kind of haunted him. But why would you do a better job?
Carr: My candidacy is certainly not in response to the long list of challenges and problems that Mayor Ketron has had both personally and financially. I want to make that really clear.
This candidacy is not a response to that, but it is a reflection of his leadership style, where there seems to be a lack of transparency and honesty, and openness.
And I think it’s very, very important for our elective leaders, whether it’d be our governor or the members of Tennessee General Assembly or our local elected leaders, to be open, honest, and transparent.
And to that point, my whole campaign and candidacy is based around being more collaborative with regard to reaching out to the city mayors and reaching out to the constitutional officers that are elected in Rutherford County.
Reaching out to faith-based organizations, and getting stakeholders in the county at the table to solve our biggest challenges and problems.
At the top of that list is the Middle Point Landfill that receives seven of the trash that comes into that landfill, which is 4,500 tons a day from outside the county.
Leahy: Why is that? Why has Rutherford County become the depository for all the trash outside of Rutherford County?
Carr: Great question. Currently, we receive trash from 37 counties outside of Rutherford because in 1996, Democrat County Mayor Nancy Allen and the County Commission, of which Bill Ketron was a member, voted to allow at that time BFI the right to bring as much trash from wherever they want, whenever they want, and how much they want into Rutherford County.
In exchange for that, Rutherford County received no tipping fees. But what that has effectively done is that we now have the largest class one landfill in the entire state by far at Middle Point.
And that contract is binding. The Rutherford County government has no authority or control over how much trash is brought in, where it comes from, or what’s deposited in the landfill.
And so we need somebody who’s going to take that matter seriously. And if we can’t shut the landfill down, we can certainly do something about making a Rutherford County only waste center.
Leahy: Where is Middle Point in Rutherford County?
Carr: It’s in the Walter Hill Community just North of Murfreesboro on Highway 231. If you know where the Alvin York Veterans Facility is, it’s just North of the Alvin C. York Veterans Facility on Highway 231, going North toward Lebanon.
Leahy: Would it be fair to say then that your campaign theme might be some variation of throw the trash out?
Carr: (Laughs) Excellent. I hadn’t thought of that.
Leahy: You like that?
Carr: I’m not going to borrow it. I might just steal it.
Leahy: You can steal it if you want to.
Carr: That’s exactly right. Because we do have a serious problem. And I mentioned this at the end of the last part, we get 4,500 tons of trash into Middle Point every day. This is according to Republic. 3,000 to 3,500 tons of that comes from outside our county. And so we have a huge, huge problem.
Leahy: Do residents of Rutherford County consider the landfill issue the number one issue in the county right now?
Carr: Yes, that is the absolute number one issue. But as you move away from the landfill, especially if you get towards the Blackman Community in Rutherford County, the second issue is the urban sprawl and growth, as demonstrated by all the apartments that are going up, because the apartment construction in Rutherford County is not paying for the infrastructure that it needs to support it.
We are horribly out of balance with regard to the type of development that is going on. And the fact is it’s not paying for itself. Property owners are paying for the development of apartments and we need to recalibrate that.
Leahy: Isn’t Rutherford County going to be for the next decade, perhaps the fastest-growing county or one of the fastest-growing counties in all of the United States of America.
Carr: It is. And that is what is projected which is why we need a Mayor who takes a much more collaborative approach to solve the problems. And that Mayor needs to bring the stakeholders together, the city mayors, the constitutional officers, the organizations, the Chamber, those leaders in the community and say, let’s put a plan together about the vision of who we want to be.
We’re more than Middle Tennessee’s trashcan. (Leahy laughs) We’re more than a bunch of apartments going on. We’re more than urban sprawl and a suburb of Davidson County.
We’re much better than that. We’re greater than that. And I think somebody was a vision to bring those groups and people together that can help us to find that moving forward. We are at a critical point right now.
Leahy: Do you get a sense that among Rutherford County voters, they’re not happy with Bill Ketron’s leadership?
Carr: I think there is great disappointment in his leadership and his inability to cast that vision and work collaboratively and solve these problems that I’ve outlined, which is exactly why I’m running.
Leahy: So what are you going to be doing on your campaign? Do you have events scheduled? What’s your first event? Do you have a kickoff event?
Carr: We’re just getting started. And so we’re going to put all that together. And, of course, with your permission, I’d love to come back on from time to time and share those things with you and how the campaign is going.
And as issues arise, how we can address some of those through your microphone, because you have a very strong a loud voice here in Rutherford County. But we’re just now putting all that together.
We’re going to raise a good bit of money and we’re going to have obviously a strong volunteer grassroots ground game. You taught us that in 2014, Michael, how critical that is to be successful.
And I want to say that even though we lost in 2014, that was absolutely a monumental and wonderful experience for me personally, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything even though I was defeated, it was a wonderful experience.
Leahy: It’s interesting you talk about the ground game because, in 2014, it was very effective in your campaign against Lamar Alexander. But it’s interesting in 2020 with COVID, I mean, there was no ground game whatsoever. Do you see that changing in 2021?
Carr: Yes, we’ve already seen that change. As a matter of fact, last year, we saw that change in the summer of last year in August. As you probably know we did our T-Bones event, and we supported Manny Sethi.
And for the first time, our T-Bones and politics supported a single candidate. And in late July or early August, we had the largest crowd ever at a T-Bones event where we had over 900 people who attended.
Leahy: It was a big crowd. A very big crowd.
Carr: It was great. And so I think people are ready to get back out and return to normal. That old version of normal. The people aren’t interested in new normal if you know what I’m saying.
Leahy: I hate the new normal. I like the old normal.
Carr: (Laughs) I’m fine with the old normal. We’re going to be sensitive to people’s requests about door knocking and facial covering. We’re going to be respectful because you’re on their property and you want to be respectful of those rights. But I think we’re getting close to the old normal.
Leahy: Well, I think you’re probably right about that. I think people are very eager to get out and get back to doing things. So I think the face-to-face connection that has been traditionally part of the plan for political candidates is one that I think will be making you come back here. How do people get in touch with you, Joe? And how do they reach out if they’re interested?
Carr: Currently we have our website, which is Carrformayor.com And then we’ve got our Facebookpage, which is my personal page, Joe Carr, and also Joe Carr for TennesseeFacebook page.
There are multiple ways they can get in touch with me directly, and I will be glad to communicate with them directly. Again, I’m going to be out there myself, along with a lot of volunteers. But I grew up in this community.
My family goes back six generations in Rutherford County. I know the people here. I grew up here. I went to grade school, high school, and college here. This is my home, and I want to preserve it.
Leahy: Former state representative Joe Carr just announced he’s running for Rutherford County Mayor. Thanks for joining us. And come back again in studio, please, if you would.
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