Live from Music Row, Wednesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed John Harris, the founder and CEO of Tennessee Firearms association to the newsmaker line to comment on the Tennessee General Assembly’s lack of awareness of the Second Amendment.
Leahy: We are joined on the newsmaker line right now by our friend of many years, John Harris. John is the founder and CEO of the Tennessee Firearms Association. This is a group that defends the Second Amendment here in Tennessee and has done so for 28 years. Good morning, John. Thanks for joining us.
Harris: Good morning. Thank you.
Leahy: John, what’s going on with the Tennessee General Assembly? Are you happy, or are you displeased?
Harris: I will say I am not surprised by the cavernous lack of constitutional stewardship shown by our Senate this week.
Leahy: That’s quite a phrase. You call it the cavernous lack of constitutional awarenesses. Did I get that?
Harris: Stewardship.
Leahy: Cavernous lack. That’s pretty good. That’s a great phrase.
Harris: It’s unfortunate. It really is.
Leahy: Tell me about it. What do you mean by that, John?
Harris: We have, discussed and pushed through TFA now for two decades or better, the concept of Tennessee’s lack of true constitutional carry. And a fact that clearly dates back in our statutes to at least 1801. And the Tennessee legislature, particularly under the control of the Republicans for the last 13 years, and the Republican leadership, particularly in the Senate, have used every opportunity they had to block and stonewall efforts to try to move Tennessee towards true constitutional carry, which is simply an environment that says if you can legally possess a firearm, it just simply isn’t a crime for you to carry it in public.
Leahy: Wherever you want in public.
Harris: Right. It’s what most of us think of it as the free exercise of a constitutional right, and we don’t have it. We’ve never had it in Tennessee with respect to the Second Amendment.
Leahy: I’m just surprised that you constantly think that here in the United States, we’ve got to have our constitutional rights. (Chuckles)
Harris: I feel like I’m talking to the leadership in China sometimes as opposed to elected officials in a constitutional republic because they really don’t care what the governing document that restricts their authority as elected officials says.
They do what they want to do and they listen to both Governor Haslam’s and Governor Lee’s administrations, which clearly have demonstrated in the hearings this week as one of the stories on The Tennessee Star this week, showed quite clearly that they don’t care what the Constitution says, nor do they really even understand what the Constitution says in terms of the existence of this right, and what the right means, despite the fact that there are now within the last 15 years, three U.S. Supreme Court decisions have laid it out quite clearly what this concept stands for.
Leahy: John, do you think that you and I ought to give them, copies of the book that you helped co-author with me, The Guide To The Constitution and the Bill of Rights for Secondary School Students? I think our kids that go to the Constitution Bee probably know the Constitution better than some of our leaders in the Tennessee General Assembly.
Harris: That would be a marvelous idea. It’s sad that it would be necessary, but in this particular context, we’re talking about a provision of the Constitution that is literally one sentence, and the operative phrase is less than 10 words. They can’t get it.
Leahy: Shall not be infringed.
Harris: Yes.
Leahy: Shall not be infringed. Actually, that is four words, shall not be infringed.
Harris: No doubt about it. It’s clearly a disposition and Governor Lee’s leading the charge, but he’s got a lot of support, particularly in the Senate with Randy McNally and Jack Johnson and Todd Gardenhire, that they don’t want this particular constitutional right to be recognized or understood in Tennessee.
Leahy: Is that bill dead in the water now?
Harris: Here’s what happened. The bill came through the house last Wednesday and came out of the House Civil Justice Committee in a format that we were substantially happy with. There had been an amendment put on it that we did not like because it created a conflict among four different statutes.
But otherwise, it would’ve done two, or three things of necessity. It would’ve eliminated a sentence in the Tennessee statutes that says it’s a crime to carry a firearm with the intent to go armed. That gets us substantially to the base concept of constitutional carry.
The next thing it did was it would have provided that the handgun-only restrictions under Tennessee law for permits and permitless carries would be repealed. All of those references to handguns would be substituted with references to the phrase firearms, which again, in the constitutional context, are not limited to firearms, but they certainly aren’t limited to handguns.
So it would’ve been a move in the right direction to, say, firearms. Then the third thing it would’ve done is it would have changed the permitting age and the carry in general, from 21 down to 18. And that’s not really a change because the state has executed an agreement to be submitted in federal court in East Tennessee that already says that.
For example, Senator Johnson’s bill from 2021 to impose that restriction on its face violates the Second Amendment, 14th amendment and constitutes a federal civil rights violation.
Reducing it to 18 statutorily cleans up the code, but it’s something the state has already agreed to it’s new Attorney General is completely unconstitutional and can’t be enforced anyhow. And so that’s what came through the House and is headed to the House floor, and Speaker Sexton signed onto that last week as a sponsor. So we feel comfortable that it’s at least going to pass in the House.
Then yesterday in Senate judiciary, we’ve got a committee of people appointed by Randy McNally to serve on that committee. Two of the nine are Democrats from Memphis, at least seven Republicans, and you’ve got to have five affirmative votes to get a bill out of that committee.
Senator John Stevens has done a good job presenting this bill and advocating that we now have a responsibility in the legislature to follow the Supreme Court’s Bruen laws carrying the bill. That was the companion version of what came through the house last week.
And we had been told that of the seven Republicans, only three, including Stevens himself, who serves on the committee, Senator Kerry Roberts and Senator Don White were willing to vote for the bill. And that left Todd Gardenhire, the chairman, John Lundberg, Paul Rose, and Trent Taylor.
Four Republicans that would support that bill were listening predominantly to representatives from TBI in the Department of Safety who were sent over there, according to Elizabeth Stroker’s own words, Governor Bill Lee, to oppose the legislation.
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Live from Music Row, Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Aaron Gulbransen in studio to discuss Tennessee Faith and Freedom Coalition goals and the expected swift passage of modified abortion trigger ban in Senate next week.
Leahy: We welcome in studio, the official guest host of The Tennessee Star Report and all-star panelist, Aaron Gulbransen and also the Tennessee state director of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. How much longer do you anticipate the Tennessee General Assembly will remain in session?
Gulbransen: Everybody tells me probably the first week in May.
Leahy: We’ve got probably, what, five or six more weeks left, right?
Gulbransen: Yes.
Leahy: These sessions have an ebb and flow to them, right?
Gulbransen: They do, especially at the beginning, right? You’re, they’re not doing a lot on Mondays. Then, as of late, they do a lot on Mondays, but they’re typically not in session on Fridays. And they have their floor. This will expand as it goes on, but, they’ve typically had their floor sessions early in the morning on Thursdays in both Houses, and they get out of town.
Leahy: They did. I think they accomplished a lot early on with the prohibition of gender mutilation for those under the age of 18 and with the bill that prohibited sexually suggestive public shows where kids attended adult cabaret shows on public property.
Gulbransen: Adult cabaret shows on public property and also where children may be.
Leahy: They got that done.
Gulbransen: For those of you lefties in the audience, because there’s so many of you, I say sarcastically, listening to this show, the talking points on the left have been just so bizarre on SB 3.
Leahy: SB 3 being…
Gulbransen: The adult cabaret show ban on public property. And in front of kids they’ve tried to twist it and say, oh, you’re banning drag shows. You can’t do Shakespeare in the park anymore. And it’s just ridiculous empty rhetoric.
And of course, by revving up their people, the General Assembly got flooded based on that. And that, of course, was Senate Majority leader Jack Johnson’s bill. He’s had a great session. He was on the two bills we just mentioned; he was the Senate prime sponsor.
There is also legislation he sponsored passed that made some protections against government overreach on COVID, permanent. Which obviously is very important to me and most of us listening.
It was a good session for Leader Johnson. Of course, on the adult cabaret show ban, Chris Todd in the House deserves a lot of credit too.
Leahy: Chris has emerged as quite a leader there. There are a couple of other bills out there, though. There’s this controversial bill but it shouldn’t be controversial, but the proposal to make the Duck River a scenic river.
Apparently, there is a group that wants to turn parts near the Duck River in Maury County into a landfill. That’s turned out to be fairly contentious. I don’t know if you’ve tracked that particular one.
Gulbransen: No, because unfortunately, the Tennessee Faith and Freedom have nothing to do with that, those sorts of issues.
Leahy: Good point. So here’s my take on the Tennessee General Assembly right now. I think it started off very strongly. And now in part because of the controversy surrounding Lieutenant Governor McNally, it seems to be bogging down toward the end. Your thoughts?
Gulbransen: I think so. I think they were so hot and heavy and got a lot accomplished very quickly that it’s at the point where, okay, where do we go? Or a lot of the very important issues they’re working on, they’re not getting a lot of media attention.
Last night the House passed with 83 votes in favor of the modification of the state’s abortion trigger ban. Ultimately after a lot of public pressure and a lot of work by a lot of different people, a very narrow modification was made. They removed the affirmative defense clause in there. For those of you who don’t know what that means…
Leahy: Add me to that list. (Chuckles)
Gulbransen: You’ll see this in a lot of legislation and laws on the books in the state, especially on gun carry laws. It’s basically as some would say, an arcane way of saying you can’t do this except X, Y, and Z. And if you find yourself being charged this is your affirmative defense. I’m trying to think of an analogy that isn’t inflammatory here, but, if you are…
Leahy: Oh, you can be inflammatory.
Gulbransen: If for some reason you have to go speed really quickly because you’re in fear for your life and you get pulled over and you get a ticket and you can go to court and explain affirmatively. Yes, sir. Yes, I was speeding. But it’s because such and such was chasing after me with a gun. That’s affirmative. That’s an affirmative defense.
Leahy: That bill has passed the House now pretty resoundingly.
Gulbransen: Yes.
Leahy: Where is it on the state Senate side?
Gulbransen: I think you’ll see action next week.
Leahy: And you anticipate that bill will pass in the state Senate?
Gulbransen: I think it will. It’s on the Senate judiciary calendar today. It’ll probably sail through that and then you’ll see probably a floor vote next week.
Leahy: What’s the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s view on that bill?
Gulbransen: We are far happier with it than the original intent of it.
Leahy: That is a very qualified answer.
Gulbransen: In the beginning, it was far broader and it was all over the place. But we’re much happier with what it is now.
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Live from Music Row, Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Aaron Gulbransen in studio to describe the mission of the Faith and Freedom Coalition locally and nationally.
Leahy: In studio with us, Aaron Gomon, the official guest host of The Tennessee Star Report, is also an all-star panelist and the state director for the State of Tennessee of the Faith and Freedom Coalition.
Aaron, your job as the state director in Tennessee of the Faith and Freedom Coalition is to represent the agenda of the Faith and Freedom Coalition before the Tennessee General Assembly. How’s that going this session?
Gulbransen: Very well. By the way, you can find us on the web at tnffcoalition.com and on Twitter @tnfaithfreedom.
Leahy: Can I just ask you this question first? If you can remind our audience what the Faith and Freedom Coalition is at the national level.
Gulbransen: The simplest thing to do to say is we activate conservative voters of faith. And that’s across all different denominations. And we support Israel. We support traditional marriage. We’re very pro-life. We have an operation at the federal level that does what I do in the state.
There are several different people working in DC in both halls of Congress and at the White House. Of course, when you have a conservative in the White House, you can certainly get a lot more things done, but that’s what we do. We engage in issues and advocacy on a swath of different issues. There’s also some criminal justice reform with a conservative bent on that as well.
A lot of work gets done in other states. And we’ll be dipping our toes into that here pretty soon. Human trafficking and child trafficking issues are very important. And then we will deal with taxes as well. Here in Tennessee, we’re blessed with not having a state income tax.
And the issue of taxes is not as necessarily as big as it is in other states. Check out more about all of this on tnffcoalition.com. I neglect to say that often enough on the air. So I’m just making up for it today, Michael. We’ve been blessed.
An obvious statement, working with The Tennessee Star as I did and working with you was a very good jumpstart to relationships with the General Assembly, and we’ve been able to hop on and support bills and have a say in a number of different issues.
Leahy: I was just going to add that one of the things that we’ve done here at The Tennessee Star, we’ve been up here for six years, and you came in as our Tennessee political editor and did a great job. But one of the things that we’ve done is simply this, the phrase that you coined, left stream media which I love.
Coined that today here. Mark it down, folks. Left-stream media. I’m stealing it by the way. That phrase accurately describes the media in Tennessee. They’re all left-stream. All of them except for The Tennessee Star. All we do is talk to Tennessee legislators, county executives, and local officials.
And we simply report factually what they say. We don’t twist it. We just tell folks what they say. And because of that, members of the Tennessee General Assembly like to talk to us. We just simply report what they say accurately because the left-stream media here in Tennessee, News Channel Five, they’re all lefties.
They all have an agenda. And Tennessee General Assembly members know that. You get straight reporting from us. And that’s why we’ve been able to communicate with a lot of members of the Tennessee General Assembly. That’s why they come in here in studio and talk.
Because we’re not trying to twist things. And that’s one of the things that in your reporting, you got to know a lot of these folks. And that’s why now, not in a reporting capacity, but in another capacity, you’ve been able to develop relationships with people that have come to trust you because of your honest reporting.
Gulbransen: It wasn’t exactly like switching to advocacy was foreign to me. I did that for many years. A vast majority of my career is in campaigns.
Leahy: You worked with the American Center for Law and Justice. ACLJ. Purely journalistic. But for most of your career, you’ve been either a political consultant or an issue advocate.
Gulbransen: Yes. And my first foray into politics at least as a volunteer was with the Long Island Coalition for Life, the oldest pro-life group in the country which actually was started before Roe v. Wade even happened. Obviously, the issue of life is very important to me.
On that note, there’s an important bill that the House local government committee is taking up today, HB 90. The short version of it bans local governments from spending money on abortions or spending money assisting people in obtaining an abortion.
Leahy: There’s a little thing going on here. This is very interesting when you talk about local governments. In Tennessee, the local governments that are in the left-wing centers such as Nashville, Davidson County, and Shelby County, they want to have their own government.
They went out with the sanctuary city thing that a couple of years ago, the Tennessee General Assembly slapped them down on that. But they all want to be their own governments, and they are creations of the state government, and they don’t wanna recognize it pretty much.
Gulbransen: In the wake of the abolition of Roe v. Wade by the U.S. Supreme Court, Nashville Metro Council tried to send $500,000 to Planned Parenthood. The mayor’s office, I forget the exact wording of it, but basically, made clear that they would try to help their employees go out of state to get abortions and this sort of thing.
And honestly, I think the most common sense coalition-building side of the abortion debate is no taxpayer money should ever be spent on this. There are a lot of people that will have differing opinions on it. But when you bring up money, there’s a lot more consensus. Unless you’re a far-left Democrat, that’s an elected official, and you’re pandering to your base.
Leahy: What cracks me up about a lot of these far-left, local, folks who run for our office and run for city council, is they misunderstand their base. They think actually if they become a city council member here in Nashville or in Memphis, their job is to set American foreign or national policy. No, your job is to make sure that the streets aren’t filled with potholes, and the garbage gets collected in your neighborhood.
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Live from Music Row Friday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed Davidson County Republican Party Chairman Lonnie Spivak in studio to explain legislation that could give Republicans a chance at winning the Nashville mayoral race.
Leahy: We are having too much fun here. In studio with us, the chairman of the Davidson County Republican Party, Mr. Lonnie Spivak. There’s a possibility that everything you know about the Davidson County, Nashville Davidson County Mayor’s race, could change.
And that change agent is the Tennessee General Assembly. There is a bill there that would eliminate the runoff element of it. And now we’ve got eight or nine candidates that have declared. The election is scheduled for August 3rd.
The filing deadline is May 18th. And since the formation of the Metro government back in 1965 the mayor has always had to have won more than 50 percent of the vote. And the way it works is the first election is on August 3rd, the August election, if no candidate gets more than 50 percent of the vote, then the top two candidates meet in a runoff.
That’s been the way it’s been for a long time, and I think the past couple of races have had those runoffs. This year, however, that could change. Tell us what’s going on with the Tennessee General Assembly on that.
Spivak: The bill in the Senate is SB 1527 and the companion bill in the House is HB 1399. And what this bill will do is it’ll remove the runoff election element of local elections, and the winner would just have to win by a plurality vote.
Leahy: So for instance, let’s just say if this race, there are eight announced candidates right now. And let’s say the leading candidate gets 29 percent and the second candidate gets 27 percent and the third candidate gets 20 percent, and the rest are below that; in that scenario, in the current law, the 29 percent person and the 27 percent person will be the only two to make it to a runoff in September.
Spivak: Yes. That’s how it’s currently structured.
Leahy: But if this law passes the number one person in that scenario that got 29 percent, the plurality of the vote, that person would be the new mayor.
Spivak: And that this really. This bill, if it passes, will give Republicans are real shot at winning races in Davidson County and other large cities in Nashville, where the demographics currently work against us. It’s being slowed up in the Senate a little bit right now, so its passage is up in the air. It’s in the state and local government committees.
It was supposed to be brought up this week, but there were a couple of members of the committee out, so they deferred it to Monday. And so I really encourage people to contact the members of the state and local government committee and let them know that you would like for them to consider passing the runoff election bill. The language hasn’t been added to the bill yet.
It’s still just a caption, but we’ll need the committee to meet and add the language to the bill, so they consider it for passage. And in order for this to move forward, those steps need to happen. Or else we’re gonna be dead in the water and we’ll lose the best chance we’ve had in a hundred years of electing Republicans in the city of Nashville.
Leahy: Now we Republicans could probably get a candidate who gets 29 percent of the vote.
Spivak: Yes. Typically, we’re in the 23 to 27 percent of the vote, depending on how many candidates are in the race. If Republicans know that there’s a good conservative candidate in the race and they coalesce. There are enough Republicans in Nashville to get to the 35 percent mark. Donald Trump did very well in 2016 in Nashville. So we know the votes are here. We just need to get them to the polls.
Leahy: In this race now there are eight candidates. Five Democrats, two Republicans, one independent, I think, is what it looks like right now. Right now, yeah. Yeah. Sharon Hurt. She’s from the Council of Fred O’Connell from the council, Matt Wilshire, who’s been appointed. He’s a Democrat. Jeff Yarbro.
Spivak: Fran Bush.
Leahy: Oh, and then I guess Jim Gingrich. Carpetbagger.
Spivak: You like that word.
Leahy: I do. Because he is a carpetbagger, by any definition of the word. Jim, by the way, you’re welcome to come in. And then Fran Bush, a former member of the school board, a friend of ours who’s an independent, and then two Republicans, Natisha Brooks, who ran previously in the GOP primary and then Alice Rolli, Natisha and Fran have been.
Alice Rolli will be here a week from today. We’ll talk to her about it. But if you look at it either of those, let’s say of the conservatives, you might add or Republicans, you would add three candidates.
Alice Rolli, Fran Bush, and Natisha. Fran and Natisha, I think are gonna struggle to raise money. I think Al’s gonna raise some money. I don’t know exactly how much we’ll find out when she’s in, on Friday, but really right now it doesn’t look like to me, any of those three are in a position to win. Certainly in the runoff.
Maybe if they have this new law, and of course as the Davidson County Republican Party Chairman, you’re limited in what you can do in this race. Tell us about what Davidson County Republican Party can and cannot do in this mayoral race.
Spivak: I asked the state chairman Scott Golden on what the rules were in non-partisan races. There’s still a lot of ambiguity about how to handle nonpartisan races. From my aspect, there are, there is more than one Republican in the race, and it should be our position as the county party to pick between Republicans.
And so what I’m gonna be proposing to the board on the 28th is that we treat it as a partisan race that we use our PAC to run ads against candidates and ideas that we are against but really treat it as a partisan race. The ultimate decision will be up to the board, but that is how I hope to present things to the board.
It really puts us in an awkward position, and I don’t want the county party to be in a position and have a history of supporting one Republican when multiple Republicans are running.
Leahy: Yes. And that’s the situation here. And that is a very measured approach to it, and it makes a lot of sense. However, I will say that if you look at it, the opportunity here for if one single Republican candidate came out and everybody focused on that candidate and that candidate had money and was credible, I think that candidate would be able to, get up to 35 percent of the vote. And then if this law were to pass, Democrats’ heads would explode.
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Live from Music Row Friday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed Davidson County Republican Party Chairman Lonnie Spivak in studio to acknowledge quick legislation passage, social media platform use, and how the Left tries to make something out of nothing.
Leahy: In studio, Lonnie Spivak, chairman of the Davidson County Republican Party is here with us. Lonnie, it’s been a very eventful week, and I think we’ve got more stuff coming. I do wanna say this about Governor Bill Lee.
He has quickly signed some very significant bills that have been brought to his attention and passed in both the House and the Senate quickly. Kudos to Speaker of the House Cam Sexton and Lieutenant Governor Randy McNally.
They brought ’em the bill to stop transgender genital mutilation for kids under 18. They brought ’em the bill that would outlaw the drag queen and other kinds of skin shows, I suppose, that are held in public spaces or that where children are present.
Spivak: I wanna talk about that. And I’m falling into the trap too because it doesn’t say drag queens in the bill. It prohibits sexually explicit burlesque-type shows in public areas where children can be present.
Leahy: And the impact on a drag queen show or any other stripper show.
Spivak: If a library wanted to have stripper hour where strippers came and read story books to kindergartners, that wouldn’t be allowed either. It really has nothing to do with your gender or where you are in the LGBTQ+ community. It really is saying we’re not gonna do sexually explicit burlesque shows in areas where minors can be present or in public areas.
Leahy: It’s a very good bill. A very good bill.
Spivak: It’s just been so misrepresented by the media here in Tennessee and across the country. Governor Lee has gotten some pushback from our legal, but not legitimate president and the governor of California and others. And to his credit, he stood up for his decision.
Leahy: Just a couple of little things here to point out. This is how desperate the left is. So there was a picture of Governor Lee when he was in high school and they put that up on a billboard and they oh, made fun of him, all that. Fine, big deal. And then I did have to mention Lieutenant Governor Randy McNally has been on his Instagram account saying stuff back and forth with 20-year-old gay guy who, that, it was like an odd sort of thing.
And that’s been all over the press. McNally’s 79 years old and he’s got a heart problem. They trying to create something outta nothing from that. If the lieutenant governor’s listing I would say, those are the kind of little communications you probably ought not to do. It’s not cool. You may think it’s cool, but it’s not.
Spivak: If the lieutenant governor is anything like my parents, using a cell phone and getting on social media is a difficult task. (Laughs)
Leahy: I would say. Anybody over a certain age ought not to be allowed on Instagram or Twitter because they don’t know how to use it. Or Facebook.
Spivak: Mike, I don’t work on Instagram. I think it’s connected to my Facebook page system stuff, post there, but I don’t really actively post on Instagram. I’ve never done TikTok. I only really use social media platforms now for promoting my individual ideas.
Leahy: Exactly. And anyway, we just wanted, had to mention that little kerfuffle. By the way, the lieutenant governor stuff I give it like a 72-hour half life.
Spivak: If that long half-life, probably just not that interesting.
Leahy: You are exactly right.
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