All Star Panelist Roger Simon: ‘Critical Race Theory Is the Worst Thing to Happen to America Since World War II’

All Star Panelist Roger Simon: ‘Critical Race Theory Is the Worst Thing to Happen to America Since World War II’


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed Senior Editor-At-Large at The Epoch Times Roger Simon to the studio to discuss his recent article in response to the Brearley School letter written by the father of a student in defiance of critical race theory being pushed in the curriculum.

Leahy: We are joined in studio by the newest all-star panelist on The Tennessee Star Report, my former boss at PJTV who is now the senior editor-at-large for The Epoch Times, Roger Simon. Good morning Roger.

Simon: It doesn’t refer to my waistline.

Leahy: (Laughs) Roger, we’ve been talking education this morning with a couple of state legislators and very troublesome proposal coming out of the Biden administration. What they want to do is they want togive grants to K-12 public schools to advance. Wait for it…critical race theory. How about that?

Simon: I can’t think of anything worse. I’m with maybe advancing Maoism pure and simple or something like that. But I think critical race theory is the worst thing to happen to America since World War II.

Leahy: It’s pretty bad. You have a great column at The Epoch Times. A Real Consumer Revolution is Starting to Take Over Education. There’s a very specific incident at a very highly regarded or prestigious private school in Manhattan that prompted this column. Tell us about that.

Simon: Well, what prompted the column was a letter by a father at the prestigious Brearley School in Manhattan. The kind of place where they cost $50,000 plus to send your kid to high school. And as bad as that is. Anyway, the father very educated guy wrote a brilliant letter discussing how the curriculum at Brearley, like almost every school in the country, has been infected by nonsense like critical race theory he refers to as many other things of that ilk.

And he says I’m taking my daughter out, goodbye. Well, this letter went viral on the Internet. That’s why I wrote about it. And also it parallels what’s really going on. I’ve been meeting a lot of people in that age category or that are starting to home school their kids because what’s going on in our schools is we might as well be in Beijing. In fact, I think Beijing is probably better because they probably don’t talk as much nonsense and get down to brass tax.

Leahy: Reading, writing, and arithmetic.

Simon: Yeah, exactly. Because we have been controlling the world where we are showing off a virtue which is non-existent.

Leahy: A false virtue because they’re putting forward this critical race theory bunk from the 1619 Project. But now the Biden administration is apparently going to be giving grants to K-12 public schools teachers all around the country, including Tennessee. You just apply for it. And now I’ve been pressing members of the Tennessee General Assembly to say, look, this grant is coming right now unless you do something, there will be critical race theory grants given by the Department of Education to K-12 public school teachers in Tennessee this fall, and they’ll be teaching it.

Simon: It’s horrible. And it’s the way that the Biden administration is essentially putting something in the arms of our youth. It’s more or less like the COVID vaccine I’m sorry to say. I mean this is really despicable. And what the citizenry has to say something, because that Brearley father is to be admired because he had real guts because most people are afraid to do this because I think something bad is going to happen to their kids, or there’ll be blackballed or something. And the truth is, something worse is happening if they don’t do anything.

Leahy: And the problem that I see is that the ability of kids today to think independently is much much less than it was in our youth.

Simon: Absolutely. They’re scared to think independently because independent thought is ostracised.

Leahy: And crushed with peer pressure and pressure from the school. And it’s very difficult to do that. Now, a lot of parents look at this and say, well, I’ve got to do this because I got to get my child into a good school. And once they’re in a good school, they’ll be able to make a good living. What’s wrong with that picture?

Simon: Well, what’s wrong with it is actually, they’re being steered into the subject matter which will not make them make a good living. That’s the irony of it.  The only possible thing you can do, for example with a college major in gender studies is to teach gender studies.

Leahy: That’s the only thing you can do. That’s funny. Good point.

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Screenwriter Roger Simon Reminisces on the Day in the Life as a Former Yale School of Drama Student, Left Wingers and Trump the ‘Scorch’

Screenwriter Roger Simon Reminisces on the Day in the Life as a Former Yale School of Drama Student, Left Wingers and Trump the ‘Scorch’


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed the founder of Pajamas Media Roger Simon to the studio to discuss what it was like going to school with left-wing famed actresses, writers, and activists and his take on the city kid known as Donald Trump.

Leahy: We are talking with Rogers Simon who is the senior political columnist for The Epoch Times, Academy award-winning nominated screenwriter, and also a very very good novelist. Roger, you grew up in New York.

Simon: Yes, and after college and graduate school I left for LA, but I grew up in New York.

Leahy: You grew up in New York and you went to Dartmouth. So like me, you’re a recovering Ivy Leaguer.

Simon: Slowly.

Leahy: Slowly. You and I worked together when you were my boss at PJTV, but I didn’t even know this about you. Very interesting. You went to graduate school at the Yale School of Drama.

Simon: That’s true. And it was kind of an interesting place then because it was right during the Vietnam war. So I had classmates who were writing serious anti-war plays.

Leahy: They were serious people.

Simon: Barbara Garson wrote this play Macbird which was a parody of Macbeth with Lyndon Johnson as Macbeth. All that kind of stuff is going right there and another woman wrote this awful play called VietRock.

Leahy: How original.

Simon: It became a big hit off-off-broadway.

Leahy: If you watched films and movies along with a lot of people who have been very successful in movies went to Yale School of Drama. The one that comes to mind of course is Meryl Streep.

Simon: Oh, yes. She’s the most famous. And Sigourney Weaver was there when I was there.

Leahy: Okay, we got to ask you. Were you hanging out with Sigourney Weaver?

Simon: A little bit. I was in the playwright’s program so I directed some of them because I would also direct. And Talia Coppola who was in The Godfather movies. Those are the two who were there that became a film star. Sigourney definitely a star.

Leahy: What is it that you do at a school of drama? I mean what’s a day like?

Simon: That’s a good question. because what I did was avoid being in the Vietnam War.  I got a student deferment

Leahy: But you have of course an interest in playwriting and an interest in writing. So you are out of Dartmouth,  did you go right to the Yale School of Drama?

Simon: Yes. And during that period if you were not going to school you went to Vietnam. I was a lefty I’m ashamed to say.

Leahy: You grew up in Brooklyn?

Simon: No. Manhattan. My father was a doctor.

Leahy: Of course, you’re going to be a lefty.

Simon: Shamelessly typical.

Leahy: I grew up in Upstate New York and I was probably shamelessly typical a little bit after you.

Simon: I wanted to be so left when I got to LA and hung out with Abbie Hoffman a little bit and like that.

Leahy: The late Abbie Hoffman. What kind of guy was Abbie Hoffman?

Simon: He was light-hearted and fun. I also hung out with Tom Hayden.

Leahy: The late Tom Hayden. He and ended up marrying Jane Fonda.

Simon: Yeah, and he was not fun.

Leahy: So it’s interesting you say that because some of these people on the left that are on these moral high horses and want to transform America are utterly humorless. That’s been my experience.

Simon: But there were a few back then who you know, Abbie had humor and Jerry Rubin. I think it would seem very forced now, they’re kind of humor. It didn’t make them solemn left-wingers.

Leahy: You’re a movie guy. What I think of the people on the left today the humorless nature. Do you remember the old classic Doctor Zhivago movie?

Simon: I loved it.

Leahy: And you remember the apparatchik guy who was in love with Julie Christie’s character, but then turned out to be utterly a politburo apparatchik without any remorse or any redeeming moral qualities. That guy.

Simon: Yes. That happens today so often it’s ridiculous And it’s sad. I think that’s the essence of a certain kind of leftism actually because you seem to be human and then it’s all about power.

Leahy: It’s all about power. That’s my take on it as well. At some point they start off with this concept of moral superiority and then it transforms in their mind into the acquisition and exercise of power. To me, that explains everything about what’s going on with the Democratic party today.

Simon: Absolutely and it’s anti-working class. Most of these people do not come from the working class. They’re from elite families or semi-elite families. It’s a stupid word really. It’s not about the worker. Trump was really the working-class president. Ironically the most working-class president in years.

Leahy: His father did have money but the thing about Trump which was appealing about him is he did every job in his father’s business. I mean he went in and he cleaned the warehouses. He prepared the houses. He’s a very detail-oriented kind of guy.

Simon: Oh, yeah. Here’s my take on Trump which is slightly different from other people because I am roughly his age and I grew up in New York. So I used to know guys like that. In the schoolyard, we had a word for a guy like that. We used to call them a “scorch.”

Leahy: A scorch. Roger, you know you always expand our vocabulary here. I’m dying to find out…

Simon: That’s not a fancy word. That’s a down-home word.

Leahy: Okay. What is a “scorch?”

Simon: Okay. I’ll give it to you. (Leahy chuckles) You’re playing stickball on the street And and a “scorch” is on a team with a Puerto Rican kid. The ball goes way out, a flyball, and a Puerto Rican kid drops it. The “scorch” starts counting and I’m not going to give you the real language here.

Leahy: It would be the language that would get us a complaint.

Simon: It would keep you off the air for two years. (Leahy laughs) So he hits the Puerto Rican kid. He uses bad terms that in the 1950s people used them and thankfully they are gone. But he would use them and the Puerto Rican would feel bad and then the game was over. And among the bad things is I’ll never talk to you again. You are a lousy outfielder. He said I’ll never talk to you again. You’re such a lousy outfielder. You’re the worst person who ever lived and a lot of bad words and then the games over and the two of them walk off arm in arm and buy some french fries. That’s the way it was.

Leahy: That’s a “scorch.”

Simon: That’s a “scorch.” It’s a city guy. And he’d have no bad feelings about Puerto Ricans the “scorch.” It was the “scorch” that would scorch him.

Leahy: He wanted to win.

Simon: He wanted to win and it was like what we call doing the dozens. He would take off on you as an Irish guy. You would be standing there and he’d say oh you are from Dublin. Blah blah blah.

Leahy: He would pick out whatever he could use when you made a mistake.

Simon: It would not really be racist or whatever anti-Irish or whatever it was. Because in those days people didn’t think that way. It was just more funning around. Of course, now the sensitivity level has gone to 150. (Laughter) But so that’s what Trump comes out of. And some of the attacks on him as racist I think evolved from that.

Leahy: He’s just a “scorch.”

Simon: He’s just a “scorch.” In fact, the reverse is true. He loved those people. But other people think of it as racism. It’s very weird. But that’s the way culture has evolved.

Leahy: And you are a culture guy since you do movies and plays and novels. You understand it. You look at it. Culture has gone so wrong.

Simon: Oh man.

Leahy: It’s gone so wrong. And the question is will get back to this after the break and tie it into some of our current events here. Culture in the form of oh, I don’t know and Oprah Winfrey interview of an American divorcee who married British royalty. (Laughter)

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The Epoch Times Senior Political Analyst Roger Simon Explains His Recent Article on Florida’s Ron DeSantis and Big Tech

The Epoch Times Senior Political Analyst Roger Simon Explains His Recent Article on Florida’s Ron DeSantis and Big Tech


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed the founder of Pajamas Media and all-star panelist Roger Simon to the studio to talk about his recent article at The Epoch Times.

Leahy: In the studio with us the famous Rogers Simon and now political columnist for The Epoch Times. Roger people have questions for you. Mark from Nashville has a question for you. Mark, you’re on with Roger Simon and Michael Patrick Leahy. (Takes a call from a listener) Roger Simon, are you related as do you have any connection with the playwright Neil Simon?

Simon: I knew him. I played tennis with him, but I have a funnier story about it. And hat is when my first film came out that  actually got made because anyone who writes in the movie business writes about 53 movies before one gets made.

Leahy: Which film was this?

Simon: It was the Big Fix with Richard Dreyfuss.

Leahy: Great movie. And based upon your novel.

Simon: Based upon my novel. In those days, the movie was taken on the road by the studio to do the last refinements. They’d show it in Denver or some other place and the audience would write down what we call cards about what they thought of the film. And then the writer and the director and the star in this case because Richard also produced we’d sit there and read the cards that night in fear that we’re going to be killed or people would love it. And that movie most of the people liked it a lot but some didn’t.

Simon: I Will do it every time. (Leahy laughs) I was riveted about that one for years.

Leahy: You were not related to Neil Simon.

Simon: Not related.

Leahy: But you played tennis with him.

Simon: Yes.

Leahy: How did that come about?

Simon: He was a good player.

Leahy: How did you playing tennis with Neil Simon come about?

Simon: I don’t remember exactly but I got called up by this producer Larry Turman who produced The Graduate and he knew I liked to play tennis. I’ve been playing tennis since I was six.

Leahy: So you’re pretty good.

Simon: I’m pretty good but I’m not great. And it turned out that the fourth player was Neil Simon. Then we got to know each other a little bit but not very much. But he did come to The Big Fix opening party and so forth.

Leahy: That was nice of him.

Simon: Yes. Well, he was very close to Dreyfuss because he wrote The Goodbye Girl.

Leahy: Of course, I forgot all about that. Which Richard Dreyfuss won the Academy Award for. Yeah, a great movie.

Simon: A fun movie.

Leahy: Not quite as great as The Big Fix. Perhaps the best movie ever made. But a good movie.

Simon: A good movie. People still watch it.

Leahy: Yes, they do. Roger, you wrote a great piece at The Epoch Times. All Red States Must Join Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida Restrain Big Tech. tell us about that article.

Simon: Well, you know, I saw DeSantis speak at CPAC. He was very popular at CPAC. And everybody loved being in Florida because they have to wear a mask very much. But that’s the sort of minor part of it. The big part of it is to say it has has done some smart things. He is initiating legislation to give trouble to Big Tech. now Big Tech is I think the enemy of the people in this country.

Leahy: I agree.

Simon: And the federal government because it’s run by the Democrats that are loved by Big Tech and essentially support Big Tech and vice versa are not going to do anything about it. So the states have to do something about it in defense of the people. And DeSantis started it and now Abbott in Texas has done something. And every one of the states should really look to that legislation and start enacting legislation that restricts Big Tech and stop them from canceling people like me. (Chuckles) They haven’t canceled me yet.  but they’ve canceled everybody else. and I’m sure I’m on the list. They certainly canceled Dr. Seuss. And that’s I mean that’s beyond the Beyond.

Leahy: The Cat in the Hat is now bad. It’s crazy.

Simon: (Inaudible talk) In the Soviet Union. So I think we have to stop this in its tracks before it ruins the Country and really essentially ruins freedom of speech.

Leahy: Now there is a bill like that and currently under consideration in the Tennessee General Assembly. Next time you’re on we’ll have an update on where that is. Senator Mike Bell is one of the sponsors in the Senate. Well, we’re going to have him on he will talk about that. I want to talk to you a little bit about this Ron DeSantis fellow. What kind of speaker is he?

Simon: He’s good. I think at CPAC the surprise best speaker went to Kristi Noem.

Leahy: That’s what I’ve heard.

Simon: But DeSantis was good.  But I think the other thing is they had the straw poll at CPAC and it was surprising in a way because Trump is a better speaker than any of them. Trump is an electric speaker. Let’s admit it.

Leahy: Let’s also admit he tends to meander a bit.

Simon: He meanders the whole time. But personally, I like to follow along. He’s fascinating.

Leahy: He’s entertaining.

Simon: If he had a late-night talk show, good by Jimmy Kimmel. (Laughter) But in the straw poll, DeSantis came in a small second.

Leahy: Even including Trump.

Simon: I mean, I think we even including Trump. I think it was 51 to Trump and 26 to DeSantis. I got it was a few weeks ago. But anyway, it’s just a straw poll at all that but I think the rank-and-file of the Republican Party really likes DeSantis and I think that he’s going to be, if Trump doesn’t run he’s going to be stepping in as a front runner very quickly.

Leahy: I think you’re right about that and Kristi Noem of course has ambitions in that regard as well.

Simon: She wouldn’t be bad.

Leahy: It was interesting to some extent, I mean here we are and it’s March of 2021 we haven’t even been through the first two months I’m sorry to say of the Joe Biden maladministration.

Simon: It feels like six years.

Leahy: It does! It feels like six years of misery. And moving towards totalitarianism at lightning speed. But back to your point. Look it’s got to be the state’s pushing back for the next two years next 15 months.

Simon: I’m telling you, it’s all in the hands of the states. and look Trump won more States than Biden did. If we were right and the election wasn’t kosher.

Leahy: It was not kosher in five states because of the unlawful elections.

Simon: But even more states. And we’re going to find out interesting things from in Georgia.

Leahy: They’re looking at the Fulton County ballots. And I think they’re going to what they’re going to find it’s not going to be good for the Democrats.

Simon: Let’s hope.

Leahy: It’s not gonna make any difference in terms of who the current president because of the failure of many institutions to stop unlawful, like election procedures in those five states.

Simon: Exactly. Which circles around the same thing. The states are the ones who have got to do the work right now. We’ve got a Republican government here in the state. As citizens, we have to keep our foot on these on all our politicians from our own party if we are Republicans to make sure they stick to it because boy they haven’t got much time really.

Leahy: I agree completely. I think this is an exec substantial challenge to the ongoing survivability of our constitutional republic. My senses are Tennessee General Assembly is doing a good job. Our governor in my view is more than a little bit weak and push back.

Simon: Well if he should be listening to us this morning.

Leahy: He’s not. (Laughter)

Simon: What? He sleeps in like me usually when I’m not in.

Leahy: Look, Governor Lee is not a bad guy. But he’s not a courageous guy in terms of pushing back. And he’s wrong on a number of issues for instance as an example in my view he said welcome. We want more refugees in Tennessee. We don’t want more refugees in Tennessee, and he could have done something and he didn’t.

Simon: He did one thing that was good the other day.

Leahy: Tell me.

Simon: He walked around downtown and Broadway without a mask on and god filmed. Step one. That’s good. Now keep it up. Get further along. Take some risks.

Leahy: But he created his own problem and I’ll tell you why.  I think he unlawfully gave counties the authority to determine whether or not they should have masks. He didn’t have the authority to give counties that authority. Now Davidson County Mayor John Cooper has a stupid mask mandate still. And so he’s he kind of created his own problem in that regard. That’s a mistake in my view.

Simon: I agree with you. It’s a mistake. The whole COVID thing is so filled with mistakes we could sit here for 14 hours and we wouldn’t get through it.

Leahy: I know.

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All Star Panelist Roger Simon Reflects on Being a Journalist at CPAC and the Cancelling of Dr. Seuss

All Star Panelist Roger Simon Reflects on Being a Journalist at CPAC and the Cancelling of Dr. Seuss


Live from Music Row Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed the founder of Pajamas Media Roger Simon to the studio to discuss the energy and reception at CPAC and how Dr. Seuss is the recent victim to fall prey to the cancel culture.

(Trump Clip Plays)

I said that I think he should have 10,000. I think I gave the number. I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen. I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready. They took that number from what I understand. They gave it to the people at the Capitol which is controlled by Pelosi and I heard they rejected it because it wouldn’t look good.

Leahy: That was Donald Trump talking about the generally sixth event. In-studio Roger Simon my former boss at PJTV now a columnist at The Epoch Times. And of course, Andy Ogles mayor of Maury County in the studio with us. I want to ask you this question, Roger. So you’re with The Epoch Times. It seems to be the juggernaut of conservative reporting these days supplanting, the old staple like National Review and The Wall Street Journal. What was it like being a journalist at CPAC for The Epoch Times?

Simon: Well the bottom line is what journalists need is access. You want to be the one to interview a Mike Pompeo or someone like that. And to be with The Epoch Times now, it’s simple. they all want to be on The Epoch Times. And the reason is that it’s the only kind of serious newspaper online and in your mailbox on the right anymore because The Wall Street Journal sort of deserted it. So we’re growing like crazy. And I can tell your listeners here if you haven’t subscribed be there or be square as we used to say.

Leahy: So who did you interview down there?

Simon: Oh, I talked to all of them Jim Jordan. All of them. My job is not to do that. That’s (Inaudible talk) job who had the video.

Leahy: You do the reporting. You are actually a commentary.

Simon: I’m the wise guy who gives you the sense of the ‘room’.

Leahy: So Andy, let me tell you why Roger Simon is a wiseguy. Like one of the other people in this anti-lockdown party in our studio today he’s an Ivy Leaguer. He went to Dartmouth. Dartmouth is in the news today.

Simon: Yes.

Leahy: You’ve got to tell our audience about this.

Simon: We all love the cancel culture. Anyway, who’s your favorite children’s author? Well, chances are if I would say 50/50 it’s Dr. Seuss. Have you ever read Dr. Seuss to your kids? Anyway, Dr. Seuss was just canceled. Six of his books have been rescinded by the publisher. So I don’t know which ones I haven’t read the full article yet, but I hope…

Leahy: Was it green eggs and ham?

Simon: I hope it’s not If I Ran the Zoo said Gerald McGrew because I love that one.

Ogles: But anyway, I do think that is one of them, but I mean, we’ve lost our collective minds. Mr. Potato Head. It’s not inclusive enough?

Leahy: It can’t be Mr. Potato Head. It has to be Potato Head.

Simon: Right.

Leahy: Unbelievable. So Dr. Seuss’s real name was Theodor Seuss “Ted” Geisel, a Dartmouth graduate.

Simon: Who donated the copyrights to all his books in his will. He’s dead. And there are the guys at Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth and it was a lot of money he gave him.

Leahy: He gave the rights to Dartmouth.

Simon: As a royal alum. Let’s hope Dartmouth complains.

Leahy: So the publisher says we’re canceling six Dr. Seuss books. Andy, can you imagine Dr. Seauss being politically incorrect. Is it anti-green eggs?

Ogles: Again, we’ve lost our minds. This cancel culture of inclusivity or non-inclusivity. I mean look, if you are a dude and you want to wear a dress, wear a dress. I don’t care. But you are still a dude. (Laughter) I’m sorry. That’s the way God made you. And maybe that’s the problem that you don’t have a relationship with God and you need to get woke with yourself. If you want to get woke read scripture follow Jesus and be woke. But at the end of the day, I’m not going to hold your hand and pander to you because you’re a dude in a dress. You’re still a dude.

Leahy: Yeah, absolutely.

Simon: But it is something that Michael said that occurs to me that it’s Dr. Seuss who came up with green eggs and ham. The left should love him.

Ogles: I don’t know.

Leahy: The left should. But again this is like the French Revolution. We have of the French Revolution and we’ve got this permanent class funded by various left-wing nut case billionaires of all these activists who don’t have any common sense whatsoever.

Simon: There may be a guillotine here in 15 minutes if we go off the air. (Laughter)

Leahy: If there is dead air when the show opens at 5:00 a.m. tomorrow morning you’ll know what happened. So I want to go back to the CPAC adventure. It’s interesting what you said as very upbeat. Now, why do you think it was upbeat? And where do you think that leads us?

Simon: Well, I think that part of the reason is up rate is that Trump is absolutely back. And he looked really good physically. A lot of people on the comments section of my Epoch Times piece were saying how much weight he lost.

Leahy: You know, it’s the old thing about Nixon back at after he lost the 1960 presidential race. Lost the governor’s race in ’62 for California. But then in ’66 and ’67, he was back. He was tanned, rested, and ready. That was the phrase. Trump you can tell just on the camera that he looked tanned, rested, and ready.

Simon: But he’s always tan. (Leahy laughs)

Leahy: That’s another story.

Simon: Yeah, but I think that dominated the whole thing and I think people have sort of figured out that the left has really overstepped and because they have overstepped it’s time to take things back and to get things on. And also it’s time to get on some of these wishy-washy Republican officials in our state and other states. One of the great things is DeSantis’s state. Everybody was saying that DeSantis should be the template for Republican governors across the country. And I really agree. How do you feel?

Ogles: Absolutely. I think DeSantis has done a great job managing COVID and defending liberty. Early on in March and April when we were all terrified he took action. But as soon as the data said otherwise, he reversed those actions and that took real courage.

Simon: The other thing that was true about CPAC is that Fauci became a curse word. (Laughter) Quite literally at the Reagan dinner Larry O’Connor who was the host.

Leahy: Larry O’Connor used to work for Breitbart and is now with the WMAL in Washington D.C. doing a great job in the afternoon.

Simon: He does a great job on the radio. But he is a funny host and he used Fauci as a replacement and as the new F-bomb. (Laughter) Fauci you!

Leahy: Now that’s funny.

Simon: I won’t go on with the whole thing.

Leahy: We might get in trouble. We don’t want to do that.

Simon: We don’t want to go off the air before they cancel us.

Leahy: What’s interesting to me Roger is I think people had a lot of fun down there.

Simon: They did. I mean, I kept saying, When can I go outside? It was 80 degrees out there. But aside from that it was great and everybody was super friendly. Another interesting thing about what’s happened with CPAC is that there now is a Korean CPAC, French CPAC, and various others.

Leahy: In those other countries?

Simon: Yes, and they had videos of their events that were shown to us. CPAC as a movement is spreading globally as the conservative movement of the kind of Trump direction it’s going. The populist direction is spreading. It’s very heartening.

Leahy: Of the speakers there, which one’s got other than Donald Trump, of course, who capped it off with an hour and 20 minutes. It was very well received. Which of the speakers also were received with that same level of enthusiasm?

Simon: The same level, no one. But I would say very high-level was Kristi Noem. What’s interesting to me about her is she’s a really good public speaker. And she knows how to underplay lines like an actress. And I come from that world so I watch that. She underplays everything just well. She said very quietly like to the audience. I don’t know if you agree with me, but I think Dr. Fauci makes mistakes a lot.

Simon: The place broke up! (Leahy laughs)

Leahy: She knew how to play it. She knows how to deliver a line. And she knows pacing.

Simon: Yes. She knows the line’s good. Don’t scream it.

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The Tennessee Star Report: The Epoch Times Political Columnist Roger Simon and Crom Carmichael Weigh in on the Certification of State Elections

The Tennessee Star Report: The Epoch Times Political Columnist Roger Simon and Crom Carmichael Weigh in on the Certification of State Elections


Live from Music Row Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist Crom Carmichael and lead political columnist for The Epoch Times, Roger Simon to the studio to speculate what will occur in the upcoming joint session of Congress and the illegal election law changes made by specific states. They also discussed whether or not criminal penalties will be mandated going forward for any future unlawful changes.

Leahy: Welcome back to the Tennessee Star Report. I am joined in the studio here by Crom Carmichael and Roger Simon. We were talking a little bit about what’s going to happen on Wednesday. Crom when these 12 senators get up and it looks like over a hundred members of the House get up in the joint session chaired by Vice President Pence. When they get up and say okay, we’re not going to we’re going to eject to the certification the six states and we want you to set up this 10-day commission to do an audit. What do you think’s going to happen?

Carmichael: Well, I think a lot depends on who gets to vote how and how the vote is tabulated. I don’t think Pelosi will go for a commission. (Simon laughs) I mean, I don’t you know, I don’t think she will. And so the question then becomes in this is what we talking about before. I don’t know what the procedure is. Based on what I heard on Maria Bartiromo’s show is that there are five minutes of debate for each state.

So if there are six states that are contested then you take whatever the amount is that you’re debating for a state and multiply that by six. So that can slow things down considerably. And also put a lot of people on the spot. Because this will all be on the public record. I think that this is being done for a variety of reasons and the most important is that the American people need transparency. We absolutely had transparency in the 2000 election.

That vote got counted I think three times and the Democrats wanted to continue to count four times. In this case, there’s been frankly as close as you can get to a cover-up of the actual breaking of the laws that were passed by the legislatures of at least five of the six states. Because we know Nevada went back into session and then change their laws, but they did it legislatively. We know the other five states, it was not the legislature that changed the law as it was it was election officials or Secretary’s of State or people who didn’t have the authority to change the law.

Leahy: The usurpers of liberty. Roger, what do you think is going to happen?

Simon: Well, I don’t know but I do know this which is interesting is that this new proposal has been in the works for a couple of weeks under the table. Ted Cruz and our Senator Marsha Blackburn and others.

Leahy: And Senator Bill Hagerty from Tennessee.

Simon: Well, no, I know he signed on but I’m talking about also people who have been working on this for two weeks as a plan. This is not thrown out there at the last minute.

Leahy: It’s a very good plan in my view.

Simon: It is I agree. So either in the macro two things are going to happen. It will be pushed aside or something will be accepted from it. But more than likely it will be pushed aside because as you say Nancy Pelosi is, as you know, one of the most despicable hard ballplayers ever to come along in American politics.

Leahy: That’s a great description of her and quite accurate.

Simon: And she doesn’t care about the people but here I mean she just cares about her ice cream. (Leahy laughs) But the great thing about this is it cannot possibly go away. And I think we have a reference point in the idiot Trump rush of collusion business when the truth ultimately came out that it was all nonsense. In this case, I think it’s even more dangerous and I think this is going to be talked about as long as we live.

Carmichael: I have a question. You have these five state legislators, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, right? And let’s just throw in North Carolina because it’s controlled by Republicans also. The legislature is. Will these legislators when they come back into session pass legislation that puts the campaign laws in stone and includes Draconian penalties for any public official that tries to usurp their authority?

As an example, if you get some Secretary of State again who wants to change it in the midterms and tries to change it and it’s 20 years in jail for even attempting to change the law. Because what the problem is is that is it nobody gets in trouble for breaking campaign laws. There is just not any trouble. You might get slapped on the wrist. But if you’re if frankly if you’re a Democrat and you do it you get paid. I mean you get slapped on the wrist.

Simon: I think some Republicans got paid too. But that will all come out in the wash.

Carmichael: They like to bring up the one in North Carolina who was a Democrat who had been cheating for like eight for the last eight elections and got mad at the Democrats. And so I said watch what I do. I’m going to cheat for the other guys and they said well, he already knew what he did so they caught him. So what are the Republicans…When have Republicans…

Simon: That’s the situation with Raffensberger in Georgia right now.

Carmichael: Let me change that then.

Leahy: Compromised if it were.

Carmichael: Republicans cheating on behalf of Republicans. (Laughter)

Leahy: Done on the behalf of Democrats.

Carmichael: I’m talking about Republicans who had been caught cheating on behalf of Republicans.

Leahy: Let me just interject here. The couple elements of this, Crom. The long-term solution is, and Roger we played a clip earlier from a guy in 2007 who said we got to go back to paper ballots! He’s not saying the same thing today. His name was Joe Biden, by the way. But one of the things that we’ve got to do here, right now long-term, is we’ve got to fix our election process so it’s paper ballot, in-person voting. That is the best way to avoid fraud.

Carmichael: Michael what I’m saying, is that requires the legislators of these states to do that. And then the question is when they do that do they then add to the legislation that anyone who attempts to change this is guilty of a crime?

Leahy: I think that’s brewing long term in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. However, you know, we’ve got Democratic Governors currently.

Carmichael: They don’t sign the legislation.

Leahy: Well, they actually do sign the law actually as it relates to…

Carmichael: That’s not what the Constitution says.

Leahy: When it comes to the federal election of a president you are correct. But in terms of the state law, the statute does require the governor’s signature but can be overridden. But I want to go on to one other point here Crom. What’s happening right now between now and Wednesday is there are calls as you know. I wrote about the call with the President was on with 300 state legislators on Saturday and told them to look at the evidence and consider de-certifying.

There are efforts right now over the next 24 to 48 hours to have legislators convene to get a majority of the legislature even if the leadership isn’t supportive and say we’re going to send a letter to the Vice President saying we’ve convened in Georgia and we’re sending a different slate that goes to Pence. And on that note, we’re going to close out the program today.

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