All Star Panelist Aaron Gulbransen on RINOs, Republican Leadership, and What We Can Expect from This Legislative Session

All Star Panelist Aaron Gulbransen on RINOs, Republican Leadership, and What We Can Expect from This Legislative Session

Live from Music Row, Tuesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the director of Tennessee’s Faith and Freedom Coalition Aaron Gulbransen in studio to discuss last week’s organization meeting of the Tennessee General Assembly and what to expect from the 2023 session.

Leahy: In studio, our very good friend, the state director here in Tennessee for the Faith and Freedom Coalition and formerly our lead political reporter, Aaron Gulbransen. Good morning, Aaron.

Gulbransen: Good morning. How are you?

Leahy: Well, I am curious this morning. Last week, the 113th session of the Tennessee General Assembly convened. It was an organizational meeting, and it’s sort of odd.

They hold the organizational meeting and then they take a couple of weeks’ break. Tell us what happened in that organizational meeting and what we can expect from
this session of the Tennessee General Assembly.

Gulbransen: Typically speaking, the first week or so is, as you just mentioned, organizational. What does that mean? It means the members get sworn in for the new session. The committees get appointed and convene.

The chairs get appointed. There are other leadership positions in both bodies in the House and the Senate. Then a lot of the conversations start happening that have been ongoing.

Leahy: A week ago today at noon, it convened. There were no surprises that I could see in terms of leadership. Cam Sexton is Speaker of the House. William Lamberth, the majority leader. Johnny Garrett is a majority; what do we call the Whip, I guess.

And then in the state senate, Randy McNally has been re-elected the Speaker of the Senate. And the lieutenant governor, Jack Johnson, the majority leader. I don’t see any major changes in leadership.

Gulbransen: Ferrell Hale, Speaker Pro-tem Senior Member. And then, of course, you got three deputy Speakers on the Republican side in Reeves, Stevens, and White in the Senate. I believe we’ve got a new judiciary chair if I remember right. Gardenhire.

Leahy: Todd Gardenhire, the state senator from Chattanooga. He’s an interesting fellow. I wouldn’t call him predictably conservative. There are some issues where he kind of goes to the center, but then there are other issues where he’s a pretty strong conservative.

Gulbransen: Again, I feel like I’m a broken record at this point in time our definition of conservative in this state would shock some of the others in other states. And so, by and large, we have pretty good elected officials. I was talking the other day with somebody, and people like to toss the term RINO around, who of course, a lot of them don’t even know.

Leahy: By the way, let’s just stop for a moment and say I had a discussion. I wrote a blog piece about this about 10 years ago with RINO – Republican In Name Only. As it turns out, when you use that term, what you’re really saying is a Reagan Republican in name only. Because if you look at the history of the Republican Party, go back to sort of the statist version.

Gulbransen: The Rockefeller.

Leahy: The Rockefeller, Nixon, and Herbert Hoover branch of the party. That’s one branch. And then the Coolidge, Goldwater, and Reagan, which is the limited government branch. So within the Republican Party, there’s always been this conflict.

Gulbransen: But, I mean, all I have to say is we have some you know, we will have disagreements with a lot of our elected officials in the state, but to call somebody out for a state that I used to live in, there’s nobody in the State Senate here or in the State House that’s a Tommy Norman from Virginia. Google Tommy Norman, and you’ll understand what I’m saying.

Leahy: Just give us a clue. What are you saying?

Gulbransen: If Tommy Norman, who has been the Republican leader in the State Senate in Virginia for a while; where in Tennessee, he might be a Democrat. So just think that way.

Leahy: As you’re talking here, if people want to call in 615-737-9522, go ahead.

Gulbransen: If you want to argue with me, there we go. (Laughs)

Leahy: We want to have a discussion with our friends who are listening.

Gulbransen: Of course, one of the things to pay attention to, and this is getting in the news, and it’s the subject of some disagreement. And that is what is going to happen in the wake of the overturning of Roe v. Wade?

Leahy: Roe v. Wade. And by the way, there’s been a lot of national attention to this, and there’s a trigger law to describe what the trigger law currently is and what the proposals that may be out there now. I guess they reconvene to conduct the serious business of the Tennessee General Assembly a week from this coming Monday, January 30th. Is that right?

Gulbransen: There’ll be some sessions, there’ll be some things going on Friday.

Leahy: Some committee stuff?

Gulbransen: And leading up to the inaugural and that sort of thing. Of course, Governor Lee’s inauguration is for a second term.

Leahy: For his second term. Do you have your tux purchased yet? Are you going?

Gulbransen: I have to say, this is neither a criticism nor praise, but this seems to be an understated inaugural. I’m used to inaugurals where you have in other states, mind you, but where you have a big inauguration in the capitol city, then you have inaugural balls all over the state.

You have them in the western part of the state, the central part of the state, the eastern part of the state, and this is just one and a half days’ worth of events.

Leahy: Governor Lee is kind of understated it this time. So by the way, I’ve not received my invitation yet. (Chuckles)

Gulbransen: I am shocked. I will give a little bit of praise on this. There are a few free events. There’s one on Friday night that’s going to be at the Wild Horse Saloon, as well as there’s a prayer breakfast this upcoming Saturday morning.

Then there’s the inaugural itself, and then there’s a dinner, which I believe is $75. And then there’s the main inaugural ball after that.

Leahy: I have to say, I’m fine with a low-key inauguration. We didn’t even have much in the way of an election.

Gulbransen: That’s true.

Leahy: He didn’t have much of a challenge when he was elected to his second four-year term back in November. It was, what, 65-35 easy victory. When people talk about governor, now everybody’s looking to, well, what’s going to happen in 2026 to speculate. That’s four years away. That’s a long way away.

Gulbransen: To go back to the abortion issue, I will say it’s interesting. Basically, we call it the trigger law because it was passed several years before Roe v. Wade was overturned, and it was triggered in the event that Roe v. Wade was overturned and outlaws abortion in the state of Tennessee.

Now, there are a couple of clauses in there. One could make the argument that the life of the mother is already in there. If you read it. Some others say it’s too vague. This is one of those interesting situations where I don’t think they’ve decided what they’re going to do, if anything, yet.

I’ve had scores of conversations over the past week on this. There seems to be some movement on potentially changing the language where exceptions are listed in there and changing the affirmative defense, as they call it, a clause in the trigger law.

That’s a technical term. I encourage you to go look at it. It’s also highlighted in a number of Second Amendment-related laws. There appears to be some movement there. You have prominent leadership saying we need to do something in the House. You have prominent leadership also saying we’re dead set against it.

You have primate leadership in the Senate saying; I’m fine with the way that the legislation currently is. And then you have others saying we need to make some exceptions.

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Crom Carmichael Examines the Politicization of the U.S. Supreme Court

Crom Carmichael Examines the Politicization of the U.S. Supreme Court

 

Live from Music Row Wednesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael to the studio

Leahy: In studio, the original all-star panelist, Crom Carmichael. Crom, I want to get back to that Supreme Court discussion. First, I’ve got a little bit of a curveball.

Carmichael: Sure. Yes.

Leahy: I’m going to throw you a curveball. Federal prosecutors indicated on Tuesday they will drop the charges against the former president of Pilot Flying J, Mark Hazelwood, and two other employees. Did you know that?

Carmichael: Wait, I’m sorry.

Leahy: Federal prosecutors indicated on Tuesday they will drop the charges against the former president of Pilot Flying J, Mark Hazelwood, and two other employees. They were convicted in this sort of kickback scheme and it was overturned in an appeals court. And now the federal prosecutors are going to drop the charges.

Carmichael: That’s local because Pilot and Flying J have been merged.

Leahy: Yeah, it’s over.

Carmichael: So they won in the appeals. These people …

Leahy: They were convicted.

Carmichael: And then the conviction was overturned.

Leahy: In appeals on a two-to-one decision. Now the federal prosecutors have said we’re going to drop the charges. It’s an interesting story.

Carmichael: I haven’t followed that enough to be able to make any kind of comment.

Leahy: Well, I’m not making any comment other than noticing that development because our listeners are interested because Pilot Flying J is a big company. And of course, the Haslam family owns it.

Carmichael: And very successful.

Leahy: A very successful company.

Carmichael: I buy a lot of my fuels and snacks on the interstates from either Pilot Flying J.

Leahy: (Chuckles) There you go.

Carmichael: But to continue on the Supreme Court thing, Kimberley Strassel goes on to point out that Justice Breyer is very aware. This is interesting to me. Chief Justice John Roberts, is constantly fretting over the Democrat Party’s efforts to undermine the court’s legitimacy and is therefore always in search of a unanimous or near-unanimous opinion.

In order to get a unanimous or near-unanimous opinion, you have to water down your opinion. And so Breyer is now, as the senior liberal, is in a better position to get what he wants in an opinion in that he will say, alright, I will agree with the majority, if you reshape the final opinion this way.

Now, this will be interesting. Let’s use this Mississippi abortion case as an example. This one will be almost impossible if the so-called conservatives on the court believe that the state of Mississippi has the right to determine when life begins. And essentially, whether or not the states have rights or whether or not it’s a national law that has to apply everywhere.

Breyer won’t be able to influence that decision. That’s why decisions sometimes end up five, four, or six, three. In the court today, it would be a six, three. But Breyer does try. And the percentage of cases that end up in nine nothing or eight one is more than 50 percent. They take about 70 cases a year.

Leahy: And so probably maybe 10 of them are controversial. 10 or 15, yeah. By the way, you mentioned that case from the state of Mississippi in which the court will look at the precedent established by the Roe v. Wade case on abortion.

Our lead story at The Tennessee Star, a group called the Constitutional Government Defense Fund joined 22 other state family policy organizations, including the Family Action Council of Tennessee, and filed an amicus brief in that case. And former state Senator David Fowler is with the Family Action Council here in Tennessee.

Carmichael: The way the left portrays these types of court decisions is, they say, overturning Roe v. Wade, they claim would end the right to abortion. And that is false.

If this case were to – if the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Mississippi in this case, then the law in Mississippi that had been passed by the Mississippi legislature assigned by the government would be effective in the state of Mississippi. It wouldn’t be effective in California or New York or any other state for that matter.

Leahy: Exactly.

Carmichael: But what it would do is it would mean that in states, for example, I believe, and so correct me if I’m wrong. Here in Tennessee, we have passed a Heartbeat Bill or something. That is where once a heartbeat is detected –

Leahy: I think the courts have overturned that. But let me add just one little caveat here. It doesn’t surprise me, but it’s another long, long, long list of disappointments with Chief Justice Roberts.

I believe that the state that – what Kimberley Strassel wrote in that report  – that Chief Justice Roberts is fretting over the Democratic Party’s constant attacks on the legitimacy of the court,

I think it’s exactly true. I think that explains his posture on this. This is why he basically made the wrong decision in NFIB v. Sebelius, which basically gave Obamacare the blessing of the Supreme Court way back in 2012. He’s been doing that kind of juxtaposition for years, and I don’t like it.

Carmichael: I think your assessment is correct. And I think Kimberley Strassel points out that even the Supreme Court is still political.

Leahy: And Chief Justice Roberts is very concerned.

Carmichael: They’re humans. They’re all humans.

Leahy: The chief justice is very concerned that I don’t like his approach here. (Carmichael laughs)

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