Live from Music Row, Friday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist JC Bowman in studio to discuss school system failures, discipline, and teachers’ needs.
Leahy: I’ve got an article here I want to talk to you about JC. And I think you and I have a little different view on this. I am not particularly optimistic about whether or not K-12 public schools are salvageable. I think you probably would say they are. Do I have that right?
Bowman: I’m not giving up on them.
Leahy: Good point. Let’s get into this article. It’s written at The Epoch Times by a writer by the name of Jackson Elliot, and the headline is: School System Failing and No Longer There to Educate, Says Teacher. And he interviewed a 10th-grade former professor by the name of Dan Fisher. And let me just kind of throw out what Dan Fisher says about our public education system. I want to get your reaction. Are you ready?
Bowman: Yes.
Leahy: Okay, here it comes. This is not a curveball. This is a fastball coming right down the middle of the plate. By the way, listeners, JC is wearing his Atlanta Braves shirt today.
Bowman: I bought stock in it. When you buy stock, they give you an owner’s plaque. So I’m now an owner of the Atlanta Braves.
Leahy: You look like one. Okay, here it comes. Fastball right down the middle of the plate. “The goal of the education system today is no longer to educate. It’s to do everything but that.” This is what Dan Fisher told The Epoch Times. Fisher teaches 10th grade at a high school whose name he declined to publicize.
The classroom he is in today let him see a system in collapse, he says. Tenth graders, he says, can’t read. Most students don’t want to participate, and teachers care more about woke indoctrination than addressing those issues. This is what Dan Fisher says. Your thoughts on his condemnation of the K-12 public school system today?
Bowman: Number one, I’m going to take apart one piece of that. I do agree that a lot of kids who have been passed through the system cannot read. Keep in mind Florida, where he’s at. We did third-grade retention, and we did the reading. They should be on reading on grade level. So that was the goal.
Leahy: This guy, Dan Fisher, teaching 10th grade, former professor; he lives in Florida.
Bowman: And so we had already done third-grade retention as far as they could read on that. Number two, I do agree there’s disengagement in school, and maybe part of how the guy teaches. Maybe as a professor, maybe he’s boring.
Leahy: He may be a boring teacher.
Bowman: And he may not be engaged with it.
Leahy: But I know that you have teachers, K-12 public school teachers who are part of Professional Educators of Tennessee. Tell people what Professional Educators of Tennessee does.
Bowman: Yes. We’re a teachers association, full force. We’ve got benefits, professional learning member savings, discounts, and liability insurance.
Leahy: So if you’re a teacher and you don’t want to join the teachers union, but you want benefits, you can join professional educators.
Bowman: And I’m tired of hearing from the union. All they keep talking about, we’re the oldest and we’re the biggest and everything. I said, what was that car that they used to come up with? The old car that flooded, the Edsel. They’re the Etsel of cars.
Leahy: And by the way, just aside from your criticism of this fellow, Dan Fisher, you said maybe he’s a boring teacher. We know for a fact, of course, that none of the members of the Professional Educators of Tennessee are boring teachers. And they’re better.
Bowman: And they’re better looking. We don’t put our teachers in a position to flourish. I do take with the woke mob mentality. Are there woke mob people? Yes. Are all teachers woke mob? No. Most of my teachers call me.
They don’t like some of this. And I hear from some of the teachers on the left that don’t like this. But this is a curriculum that gets pushed down on them by people up above them.
Leahy: There’s a lot to that. Let me continue on this article because I got to get this teacher, Dan Fisher, in a room with you here, and I’ll be the referee as you duke it out.
Bowman: Oh, I’d love that.
Leahy: He says after school is fascinating. They’re not playing, they’re not running. They’re just on their phones. Like other education activists, Fisher said COVID-19 pandemic changes revealed the rotting conditions of America’s schools. Here’s a quote.
“They assumed that schools were the way things were when they went through, and they had no idea how much things have changed as far as curriculum and others. We’re asked at the 10th-grade level, and 11th-grade level, to help teach reading. Isn’t that kind of what K through eight is for?” This is what Fisher says.
Bowman: Now, I agree with that. On the other hand, to diss them for being on their phones is saying but that’s not the way the school is today. And I’m not a big phone advocate for putting technology in their hands, but they’re clearly there, and so it’s kind of like he’s badmouthing them for doing that, and then by the same token said, the school hasn’t changed.
Leahy: So what about the role of parents? He’s actually also not particularly complimentary about most parents. What Fisher says, and let’s think about this a moment. He says that the parents for the most, but the majority of parents are not engaged in tracking the education of their kids in K-12. Is that true?
Bowman: Yes, I think that he’s got a point, particularly in certain areas, and I would need to know where he was teaching at. But in our urban areas, unfortunately, that is very much true. In our rural areas, in a lot of the small school districts, they’re very deeply involved.
Leahy: Let me continue on this. Fisher says education disaster comes from two sources. Students feel apathetic and struggle with so many discipline issues that teachers can’t get them to learn. “They only want to come to class and spend the class period talking to their friends and sleeping.”
School systems, he says, also don’t cater to teachers’ needs. “The systems are geared around the district and the supervisors. The question is, what makes a teacher’s life easier, I don’t think ever gets asked.” Your thoughts on those?
Bowman: No, I think he’s right, and I think that’s exactly, and we keep pushing down everything. The number one issue for the last 10 years continues to creep up there, and it’s been in the top five, and it’s now stuck in the top one-third as teachers feel overworked. And why that? They’re not afraid to do the work, Michael.
The problem is that they’re asked to do more and more. If you add something like when COVID came and the schools that were in session and had kids in the classroom, were asked to keep their kids in their classroom. They lost their planning period.
So during their lunch period, they had to eat lunch with their kids. They couldn’t keep their planning period. They didn’t have that. And we keep pushing back. I’m going to take a shot at Senator Umberg here.
And I know we love Umberg, but one of the things about that he wants to raise class size, and they’re sitting here going, wait a minute. I can’t discipline 35 kids and you want me to have 45?
And so that’s the angle with that, that they’re feeling like nobody is listening to them. We brought it up in committee last week, and I know teachers have been invited to come in and actually speak, but they’re afraid to speak out. If they don’t speak out, they’re going to continue to be punching bags for policymakers and bureaucrats.
We need them to speak out, but we need them to speak out with a little bit of elegance, not like marching down and yelling and screaming. That gets nowhere. We need them to sit in a committee room and talk and share what’s really happening in their classroom. Discipline is a huge issue.
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Live from Music Row, Friday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed all-star panelist and the CEO of Professional Educators of Tennessee JC Bowman in studio to discuss the $500,000 Tennessee principal trip to Louisville, Kentucky, Education Commissioner Penny Schwinn, and school safety.
Leahy: We welcome to our microphones right now, our very good friend for many years, the CEO of Professional Educators of Tennessee. This is the alternative to the left-wing teachers’ unions, Mr. JC. Bowman. Good morning, JC.
Bowman: Good morning, Michael! How are you doing today?
Leahy: A little bit cold out there.
Bowman: Well, in Fairbanks, they consider this day at the beach.
Leahy: A day at the beach. We have an important announcement to make. You and I have been friends for many, many years. You’ve been on the program before. On Monday, it will mark six years of The Tennessee Star operating here in the state of Tennessee. It’s a long time.
Bowman: Oh, it’s great, too.
Leahy: And you are one of our first advertisers at the Professional Educators of Tennessee. And we thank you for helping launch us. We’ve been friends for a long time. You’ve been on the program for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, officially today, Mr. JC. Bowman is an all-star panelist on The Tennessee Star Report.
Bowman: (Cheers) I’m excited! I get access to the coffee pot now.
Leahy: You get access to the coffee pot, and you get our undying gratitude. Our newest all-star panelist is an expert on education. There’s a story that we and our education writer, TC Weber wrote, a great writer and an expert on education in Tennessee, particularly in Metro Nashville.
He had a very interesting story about a boondoggle that Metro Nashville school folks were on. About half a million bucks to send folks up for training in Louisville. Tell us a little bit about that.
Bowman: Yes, a couple of things. First off, let’s talk about TC, for a second. TC is a tremendous writer. You’re right; he has got guts. And he’s been visited by Homeland Security and everybody else for some of the articles he writes. He’s got great courage to write. Interesting guy.
This is the only place you’ll find those stories in The Tennessee Star. They’re taking all the principals, and I think the assistant principals, anybody that is a principal, you’re going to Kentucky to study and talk about public strategy for public education out of the public eye in Kentucky.
Nashville is a destination city. We got buildings everywhere. We’ve got seven universities that would give you space. Why Kentucky? I don’t know. What are we stealing from Kentucky?
Leahy: Boondoggle. (Laughs) I mean, come on.
Bowman: Think about what half a million dollars could go for in our schools just for kids and academics. And listen, this is what got them in trouble under Sean Joseph’s regime. And again, Weber called that out. And that’s what I think is amazing about it. Nobody else covered that story, and it’s well known they put it out that they’re doing it, and they have no shame.
If it was some like, magic bullet, you could go up there. One of the things I think we got to really look at, Michael, is the whole travel regime for everywhere we go. It’s like we go to vacations. We’re out to a conference. And if COVID taught us anything, you could do it online.
Why do we have to go on all these trips with state officials on down? Every once in a while, I understand it. I get it. I traveled in Florida for some of the things, but I hated to travel. It wasn’t something I looked forward to. But they planned these trips out. We need to really take a hard look.
Leahy: Speaking of education travel, we have a milk carton here, and it has a picture on it. A missing person. Education Commissioner Penny Schwinn. Has anybody seen her?
Bowman: Yes. She’s come back. I got in trouble for that, by the way. They called me out on that one. And they said, make sure we say something good about her. They let me know that she had some health issues, and that’s why she was out.
But of course, I think that she continued to travel places. So I think that’s the thing. I did see she made the rounds at the Capitol up there, and I did run into her at the Capitol, so I’ll give her that much.
Leahy: But her leadership is dreadful, and she’s not enforcing the anti-CRT bill that’s out there. The challenges that were made in Williamson County, she’s doing nothing with it.
Bowman: We don’t enforce any laws. The funny thing, Michael, is that we have to write new laws. We were working on teacher assault last year. It’s one of my pet projects. And as I started digging into the law, it was already on the books in three different places. We just don’t enforce the laws that are already on the books.
Leahy: Did Penny Schwinn say something nice about me, or did her staff ask you to say something nice about me?
Bowman: I was talking to one of her staff members. Yes. Absolutely. Not to say something nice, but mention the department. And I have been very polite and very kind. I do like, Grow Your Own Program. That’s a good program. I’ve said this before. It is not the be all, end all of everything. It’s a nice thing in the gun.
Leahy: We’ve invited Penny Schwinn to come on the program and to defend her record. She’s not shown up.
Bowman: No, and she won’t.
Leahy: Why not? How can we say nice things about her if she doesn’t show up? (Laughs)
Bowman: Well, that’s the thing.
Leahy: There’s nothing nice to say about her, in my view.
Bowman: Well, Governor Lee doesn’t show up.
Leahy: Who? Who? (Laughs) We’ve invited him. He’s been governor. He was elected in 2018.
Bowman: But he’s preparing for State of the State.
Leahy: That’s coming up.
Bowman: I do know a little bit, I think, because I do work on that a little bit. One of the things I’m really pushing and advocating for is school security. And I’m like; we have to protect kids. We have to protect teachers. And so I’m trying to make sure that they do that, but I know that they’re going to address it somewhere. I think school security is an issue.
Leahy: Yes, it definitely is an issue.
Bowman: They didn’t fund SROs. That’s part of the problem.
Leahy: Tell our audience what an SRO is.
Bowman: You got two groups of people got SROs, School Resource Officers, which fall under the purview and the authority and are following law enforcement. They are officers on school grounds. And you have this thing called SSOs, which, I’m just being honest…
Leahy: What is an SSO?
Bowman: That is a School Safety Officer that is the equivalent of a mall cop. And so they are run by the school, and they answer to the director of schools. And so there’s a real difference between the two. I want my school to be represented by an SRO so if there’s an incident; law enforcement can handle it right there.
Leahy: Have you noticed the recent reports about the performance of schools at the third-grade level? And now there’s this big bill about the retention bill that passed last year and is scheduled to go into effect this year. A lot of teachers are complaining about the bill. As I understand it, you have this TN Ready test that third graders take.
And unless you show you’re proficient in reading and writing primarily, you will be either held back for a year or have to go to summer school. I’ve seen reports that as many as two-thirds of students here in Tennessee are not proficient at their third-grade level. How is this going to play out?
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Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the head of Professional Educators of Tennessee, J.C. Bowman, in the studio to comment upon the recent letter from the U.S. Department of Education regarding the missing implementation of assessment and accountability requirements.
Leahy: In the studio, the head of Professional Educators of Tennessee. J.C. Bowman. J.C., I have in my hands a letter dated September 27th of this year from the U.S. Department of Education to Penny Schwinn, our commissioner of education here.
Dear Commissioner Schwinn, I’m writing regarding the Tennessee Department of Education’s implementation of assessment and accountability requirements resulting from required actions identified by the Department of Education in our 2021 performance review, which was reported to you in November of 2021.
This looks like there’s trouble headed our way.
Bowman: Yes, there’s absolute trouble heading our way, and it could end up paying back, if you recall.
Leahy: Paying back who?
Bowman: The federal government.
Leahy: How much?
Bowman: It depends on how much they’re looking at …
Leahy: But they’re saying, hey, we sent you this review back in November. There are, like, 15 actions required.
I guess they’re suggesting you haven’t taken those actions, and therefore you’ve got to send us back a whole bunch of money. Is that what the Feds are telling us?
Bowman: Yeah. And they’re saying, or further action?
Leahy: When the federal government tells you or further action, this is what you might call a clue something bad might be headed our way.
Bowman: Listen to the ending of the letter, [it] says that in addition to the 2022 year, which is this year and 2023, no later than December 1st, 2022, the Tennessee Department of Education must provide documentation of the assessments that the TDOE would administer for the ’22-’23 school year.
Leahy: When you say assessments, is this like, the scores that the kids get?
Bowman: Yes.
Leahy: What is an assessment?
Bowman: Well, that’s the test that you take.
Leahy: The test the kids take. So I looked at the test numbers most recently reported, which came out this summer. They were not good. They were actually bad pretty much across the board. Slight increases from the worst ever during the pandemic, but still very bad across the state, it seemed to me.
Bowman: Yes. Well, in some areas, particularly more. But what we found is the schools that went back after the pandemic did better. So when you do that, Michael, your achievements are higher because you went back, but your gains are lower because you’re also being measured against the last year’s thing, where you were already in there doing better, so your gains aren’t as high. So when we celebrate gains, we’re all excited.
Leahy: Well, it’s a little bit like, you’ve gone from absolutely, totally terrible to just kind of terrible. And if you make that change in one year, you get accolades, which seems to me to be kind of ridiculous, because, sort of terrible is still pretty terrible.
Bowman: So there’s the whole gauntlet. But apparently, here’s where I think – I believe in transparency in government. I believe that we should see what’s going on.
We should be made aware of it and everything else. These things came out last year. I mean, in September 2021, the Feds sent a letter – a document, a report – saying you’ve got some problems.
Leahy: Yes, and that’s been out here since 2021.
Bowman: Since 2021.
Leahy: But I didn’t know about this. Did you know about it?
Bowman: No.
Leahy: Until this letter came out.
Bowman: And let’s get credit, I want to get credit to where credit is due: TC Weber, a blogger here in Nashville,
Leahy: I think we’ve had him on once on the show.
Bowman: You should have him back.
Leahy: He’s a lively guy.
Bowman: He came to Nashville as a guitarist and a musician, and he stayed, and he’s got a point of view. And he’s just more populist. And I don’t think it’s more ideology, but he definitely believes in transparency in government, and that’s the argument.
And then in November of 2021, they sent the other report. And what actions has our department taken since then? And then the whole year, last year, we’re all pushing this funding system for this, and you and I talked about it.
We’re going to end up having to raise taxes by implementing TISA. So now we got this. But that’s what sucked the air out of the room, rather than kind of going after these real critical issues and trying to fix it.
Leahy: So let me just step back and now remind our listeners why the Federal Department of Education, which I think should be abolished, why they get to tell the state of Tennessee what’s wrong.
Bowman: And that’s the million-dollar question. Here’s where we’re at. Either you got some real gross incompetence at the Tennessee Department of Education, in which case, if that’s the case, our governor needs to step in and he needs to explain this – not the commissioner, our governor does.
And then number two, and I go back to this, or if the department is overreaching, we ought to all join hands together and say, listen, Lamar Alexander, who is the principal author of ESSA, which is the funding mechanism …
Leahy: What is ESSA?
Bowman: Education, elementary, secondary. The thing that funds the money.
Leahy: The federal funding.
Bowman: It’s federal funding for our education dollars.
Leahy: And just a reminder that in an average school here in Tennessee, K-12 public education, about 50 percent of it comes from state, 40 percent from local, and 10 percent from the Feds. Now, in some places like Williamson County, you get a lot more local, and in other, poorer places, you get a lot less local.
Bowman: And that’s what the BEP does now. The Basic Education Program is the current system.
Leahy: It provides more funding to the poorer counties.
Bowman: Yeah, equity – that word that Josiah likes a lot. (Leahy laughs) But back to this, is that, where we’re at, is again – or we should start talking together, and I give Lamar credit where he’s correct. Lamar was out in front.
People can like Lamar Alexander or not, but he didn’t shy away from controversy and he stepped up to the issues. And the governor needs to come out and step up on this. But here’s the point.
We should say, tell the federal government that, listen, we disagree with you. We don’t think that special ed students need to be taking the regular assessment test.
Leahy: Is that one of the things they say?
Bowman: That’s one of the things in there.
Leahy: Okay, so now this is a warning shot, though, from the Feds to the state of Tennessee. What possibly could go wrong subsequent to this warning shot?
Bowman: Well, and here’s where I think that one of the things that came in, one of the documents that they sent was that we are supplanting money.
What that means is you’re taking dollars that the state normally uses and they’re spending on hiring, whatever the position is.
Leahy: Hold on, is this Fed money?
Bowman: Federal money.
Leahy: Okay, so that 10 percent, that’s going to the state, 12 percent.
Bowman: And the state takes a portion of it.
Leahy: But they’re saying, the Feds are saying you’re not spending that money the way you told us you were going to spend it.
Bowman: Basically that’s it.
Leahy: So they’re going to be upset about that.
Bowman: Oh, absolutely. And the one question that got me, it says right here in this math assessment, we’re supposed to test 8th-grade math students on the number three question. On the letter it says that that’s consistent with CDO’s approval of the ESEA consolidated state plan and you must submit a waiver request to extend the 8th-grade mathematics assessment exemption to reading language arts and lower. Basically, we just failed to file the exemption request.
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Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed Professional Educators of Tennessee Executive Director and CEO J.C. Bowman in-studio to discuss the implementation of the Instructional Practice Guide for only Williamson County public school teachers, forcing them to stick to a “script.”
Leahy: Right now, ladies and gentlemen, a Marine Corps veteran, all-American guy who is the President of Professional Educators of Tennessee.
That’s the conservative or good alternative to the teachers’ unions. His name is J.C. Bowman. He’s in the studio with us. Good morning, J.C.
Bowman: Good morning, Michael. How are you doing today?
Leahy: Well, I am puzzled, J.C. I am puzzled. What on earth is going on in Williamson County Public Schools? What are they doing?
It’s hard enough being a teacher in K-12 public schools in Tennessee now as it is, but they’re kind of doing some odd things down there, and I think it’s only happening in Williamson County. You’ve been talking to some teachers about it. This thing is called what, IPG? What is that?
Bowman: Yes, it’s like a term called Instructional Practice Guide. And one of the things they’re making sure you’re doing is sticking to the script. And I find it odd now that it’s not an evaluation.
Leahy: Are you toeing the propaganda line? Is that really what it is?
Bowman: Yes, basically, my phone has blown up about this a little bit because we’ve had five or six teachers specifically really concerned. We know that one teacher at Grasslands Elementary School, it was on Channel 17, quit. She said, I’m done. They bring in two people from the central office …
Leahy: Now, how long have they been doing this IPG? What is it again?
Bowman: It stands for Instructional Practice Guide. Okay. And it’s a team. You’re supposed to be teaching your guide all the way through. It’s scripted learning. So basically, I hand you a script, and it would be like every morning you walk in here and I hand you a script to say, hey, Michael, this is what you’re speaking on today.
And you look at me and say, that’s just not happening. And we hire professionals. Williamson County has got some of the best teachers in the state, and we don’t trust them to do the job well.
Leahy: And they seem to be, I think it’s a very frustrating job right now to be a teacher, particularly in Williamson County, because they’re getting all of these instructions from the top that don’t make any sense, and the parents are unhappy, and it’s just a tough gig, it seems to me.
Bowman: Oh, it’s absolutely a tough gig. And like I said, these teachers are beyond frustrated. And I mean, I’m hearing as many as, they could get into the double digits.
Leahy: When did they start the Williamson County Public Schools? Headed up by Jason Golden, an attorney.
Bowman: An attorney, right.
Leahy: When did they start doing this IPG thing?
Bowman: Apparently it started this year.
Leahy: This year? Just this year? In August?
Bowman: Yes. So remember last year when we had the teachers at Edmondson Elementary School that got in trouble for deviating off Wit and Wisdom this year?
Leahy: And Wit and Wisdom is sort of, I don’t know, the Woke curriculum.
Bowman: Well, it was brought in by our commissioner.
Leahy: Our woke commissioner, education commissioner.
Bowman: I’m not going to go there.
Leahy: Our UC Berkeley grad, Penny Schwinn, woke commissioner. P.S., Governor Lee, why did you appoint this UC Berkeley grad to be commissioner of education? It’s still a head-scratcher, but go ahead.
Bowman: I don’t want to bring up the Dianne Feinstein connection, but hey, she also interned for Dianne Feinstein, but that’s neither here or there.
Leahy: Yes, let’s not bring up the Dianne Feinstein connection that she interned for.
Bowman: But in seriousness. After she approved it, she pushed that particular curriculum into our schools, and for God knows what reason. It was adopted and the curriculum got chosen by Williamson County and depending on who you talk to, whether it’s a fair process or not, Williamson County comes in, they start doing it, and now they’re going to make sure these teachers are sticking to script.
If you say the word “short” or you use a different word and explain, that is not in that practical guide, you’re in trouble now. This is not an evaluation. This is just an observance. And I’m going to tell you something, it’s intimidating a lot of teachers.
Leahy: So the plan of Williamson County Schools is to intimidate teachers to follow a script, and otherwise there’s a problem. And I guess they’re only doing it in Williamson County Schools right now?
Bowman: As far as we can tell, we’ve not heard any other complaints.
Leahy: Very bizarre.
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