Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil McCabe Weighs in on the Upcoming Impeachment Trial of Citizen Trump

Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil McCabe Weighs in on the Upcoming Impeachment Trial of Citizen Trump

 

Live from Music Row Wednesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil McCabe to the newsmakers line to discuss what he see’s happening with the impeachment trial of ex-President Donald J. Trump.

Leahy: Crom Carmichael the original All-Star panelists in studio. And on the newsmaker line our Washington Correspondent and our National Correspondent the great Neil McCabe. Good morning, Neal.

McCabe: Good morning men.

Leahy: It’s a little crazy in Washington next week. They’re going to start the impeachment trial. The president’s team responded. He finally has a team that’s sticking with him of attorneys. Also, we saw that Alejandro Mayorkas was confirmed as the Secretary of Homeland Security despite all of the EB-5 Visa scandals that he’s been involved in. What do you make of Washington today Neal?

McCabe: Well, I think it’s interesting that a lot of people blame the Democrats for the fact that Trump and four years could never get any of his officials confirmed. But the fact of the matter is that it was McConnell who was keeping Trump from filling up any of those spaces and the dozens and dozens of ambassadorships that were left open.

And he was doing it through various devices. But the majority leader of the Senate has the right to call any vote at any time and can be recognized at any time. And so the majority leader is not as powerful as the Speaker of the House in that chamber, but that in and of itself is a tremendous power that Schumer has and not McConnell.

And what you’re seeing is that Republicans are rolling over and basically letting these guys go through. They’re not demanding the maximum of 30 hours of debate. They’re not staging demonstrations or walkouts at committee hearings. Basically everything is rolling forward and McConnell is doing for President Biden what he would never do for President Trump.

Leahy: I saw old Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Rob Portman. I think there was one other actually that did this.

McCabe: I think Dunn was at the White House. Are you talking about the White House meeting?

Leahy: The Mayorkas vote. But let’s talk about the White House where ten senators go in and Republican senators. I don’t know if you say hat in hand to try to reason with President Biden. Yes, he is our president. (Chuckles) To reason with President Biden who’s got this big blue state bailout masquerading as a coronavirus stimulus bill. Tell us about that meeting in the White House between 10 Republican senators and President Biden.

McCabe: Well, you know they did their dance and the president heard them out. And so he gets his photo op with the Republicans. He gets to demonstrate that he’s open-minded and that he’s trying to be the president of all the people. And then like Biden does, he’ll do whatever the left wants. He’ll do whatever the Democrat political machine wants him to do. He always says the right things.

You listen to a speech and you can listen to it as you’re going to be speaking and you’re like my goodness. He gets me completely to understand their point of view. And if you actually read the thing, you see, you know, how he sort of plays around with the words and it turns out he gives you nothing. And so there’s never a compromise with Biden.

And in a lot of ways during the Obama administration Biden was actually in the forefront getting ahead of Obama on some of this left-wing stuff. And so these guys did the dance. They gave Biden cover. But these establishment Republicans own the Biden presidency because they were throwing sand in the gears for Trump for four years.

And then when Trump was running for re-election, none of these guys lifted a finger to get Trump re-elected. And certainly, when we saw all the rigging and irregularities, none of these guys spoke up about the funny business that’s going on in these different states. And so, what are you going to do? We just basically have to ride this thing out and hope.

Leahy: And hope is the key operative word. Crom and I were talking before you came on Neil about the president’s legal team strategy for the impending impeachment trial. Crom, do you want to pose your question to Neil about the strategy on this that the team presents team should have yes Neil the president’s team should have?

Carmichael: Yes, Neil, the president’s team has said that one of the things they are going to do is they’re going to argue that the Senate doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to “convict” a private citizen. And I made the statement, I said if they’re going to make that argument they need to make that argument in the courts, not in the Senate.

McCabe: Right.

Carmichael: And they need to they need to take it to the courts and they should do that at the beginning of the trial. When the trial is called into session they should immediately file with the courts and have the courts weigh in on whether or not the the the Senate has the right to try a private citizen.

McCabe: An emergency petition to the Supreme Court to adjudicate a constitutional conflict. I think the answer Crom is if it was so it was so dressed right dress and good to go why is Chief John Roberts sitting it out? I would think that if the Senate was holding an impeachment trial and the chief justice of the Supreme Court didn’t show up for a sitting President does that mean that the chief justice can just sit it out If you want to? Why isn’t the sergeant of arms bringing John Roberts to the Senate chamber and shackles? They should arrest that guy. (Leahy chuckles)

Carmichael: Well you know John Roberts, and I’m not being facetious here or anything, but John Roberts has said that he does not have the authority to run a trial of a private citizen. Which is why he’s not doing it. That’s what he has said. That’s his reasoning.

McCabe: Well, there you go. I mean that’s your answer. And I think I would support that petition. I hope they pull it off. I’m also concerned almost like it seems like it’s almost like a bill of attainder where you basically hold. Is the Senate allowed to just hold the trial? And then decide what what are you gonna do is strip the Secret Service protection telling me can’t hold federal office anymore?

But in the end, this is a political process, not a judicial process. And so they can make whatever arguments they want. The defense team that is. The fact is they have 45 votes in their pocket. They could even give up some of those votes. as long as the guy gets 34 votes he’s good to go.

Carmichael: Just as a citizen I would like to know whether or not to say whether or not the Senate has the right to try a private citizen. And in so doing, strip that private citizen of certain rights? I’d like to know the answer to that.

McCabe: Yeah, I think we should figure it out and we’ll find out. The thing is that you’ve got more than 20 Republican Senate seats up in 2022 and we’re going to find out that a lot of these big talk Republicans when push comes to shove if they’re going to vote to acquit Trump. Because you know John Thune in South Dakota is not going to want to explain why he voted to convict Donald Trump to the voters of South Dakota.

Leahy: Look into your crystal ball Neil McCabe. And two months from today, how will this impeachment trial of the private citizen former President Donald Trump, how will it have played out two months from today?

McCabe: Well, the president will be acquitted with at least 40 votes. And I think that people are going to look back at it as an absurd exercise. And when people look back at the failed presidency of Joe Biden, they’re going to blame this trial as the distraction that completely disrupted old sleepy Joe’s first 100 days.

Carmichael: Are you then assuming in what you just said that that Trump will not file a suit with the courts?

McCabe: I completely appreciate your logic but the fact of the matter is that the Senate is not going to allow the Supreme Court to weigh in on one of its prerogatives.

Leahy: I think that probably is figuring into the thinking of the Trump team at this point to file preemptively on it. but who knows. Neil McCabe, thank you for joining us here again. You’ll be back next week appreciate all of your great work with The Tennessee Star and all of Star News Network.

McCabe: (Laughs) Absolutely men. Take care.

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Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil W. McCabe Weighs in on a Second Impeachment of President Trump

Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil W. McCabe Weighs in on a Second Impeachment of President Trump

 

Live from Music Row Wednesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed Tennessee Star National Correspondent Neil W. McCabe to the newsmakers line live from Washington, D.C.

During the third hour, McCabe weighed in on the looming second impeachment of President Trump and whether or not it would lead to a trial in the Senate. He added that he believes the president would be impeached yet may still offer a range of pardons to warriors and possibly a pre-emtptive Stephen K. Bannon.

Leahy: On our newsmaker line our Washington correspondent for the Star News Network Neil McCabe. Good morning, Neil.

McCabe: Hey, Mike, Crom. Glad to be with you and good morning.

Leahy: Well we’ve got seven days and 5 hours left in the Trump administration. Nancy Pelosi and apparently Liz Cheney now wants to impeach him in the next seven days and five hours. And then there are rumblings about whether or not there would if impeached whether or not before his term ends for a second time. Rumblings about or not there would be a trial in the Senate. Tell us what you know about this, you know, unifying process going on in Washington today.

McCabe: Yeah. Let me just say that right before Thanksgiving Politico had this headline about a profile of Liz Cheney and that headline was She Kind of Reminds You of Margaret Thatcher.

Leahy: (Laughs) Excuse me. I can’t stop laughing.

Carmichael: I think they confused that with Gretchen Whitmer. (Leahy laughs)

McCabe: Let me just say that among the House Republican leadership like the guys who want to get along and go along. Al the good-time Charlies, they love Liz Cheney because she takes on Matt Gaetz. She takes on Jim Jordan. Now she’s taking on Kevin McCarthy. And frankly, she’s going to use this to catapult her challenge against Kevin McCarthy for the actual leadership of the House.

So inside the House Republican conference what’s really going on here is Liz Cheney is they’ve been her bid to take over. And they won’t have leadership, I doubt that they’ll change leadership this session. But what will happen is Liz Cheney is basically going to become the titular leader of the sort of the Washington party inside the Republican conference. Now, McConnell has already said that the trial will begin after Trump leaves office.

And because of what they call unanimous consent Schumer and the Democrats are going to let McConnell continue to run the Senate until Trump leaves. And basically, that allows McConnell to sort of like, you know wash his hands of the actual trial. So the trial will be run by Schumer and I doubt that the president will be convicted in the Senate. Joe Manchin has already said that the votes aren’t there.

And you have to be very careful about what’s been up in the media and what people say. And then you have to compare that to what people actually do. And when the rubber hits the road there are going to be very few Republicans, maybe 20 or 30, who vote for impeachment today. And in the Senate, if Trump has 35 votes he’s good.

And so it’ll be a little dicey for the Republicans in the Senate because, in 2022, there are at least 20 Republican seats up for re-election. And that’s going to be a heavy lift. John Coon is up in South Dakota. And you know, he’s been a real problem for the Trump administration for the last four years. But you know Trump is already talking about helping anyone who will primary soon. And going back to Liz Cheney, Trump did win Wyoming with 70 percent of the vote. So it’s like, hey lady, look at the numbers.

Wyoming’s a very tough state to run in statewide. It’s almost impossible to do polling there as you might remember Mike with the trouble we’ve had in the past doing polling there. And so, you know Dick Cheney, her father, is obviously very popular there. And so, you know, will she be primaried to be defeated? I don’t know in Wyoming. But it is important to remember that her state voted 70 percent for Trump.

Leahy: Now, let me ask you this a week from today when we have you on the call, will President Trump have been impeached for a second time by the House of Representatives?

McCabe: Yes.

Carmichael: Okay. Now, will Trump when he’s out of office if they try to pass it to the Senate because the 25th Amendment is actually pretty clear on conviction to remove the president. There’s never been a case before the Supreme Court as to whether or not a person who is not in office can be removed from office. There’s never been one. So will it go to the courts?

McCabe: There was a Secretary of War.

Carmichael: There wasn’t a case. There’s never been a court case.

Leahy: Let’s just clarify it.

McCabe: I don’t know if you want to give the Supreme Court a role in this, A. And B, impeachment is a political process, not a judiciary or legal process. And so politically you there is no will to impeach or convict Trump, especially after he’s left office. We forget. Once you leave office something changes. Clinton and Obama were both relatively popular when they left, but it changes you and people think about you differently once you are an ex-president.

Nixon was the most hated man in America when they railroaded him out on bogus charges with dirty judges. But having said that, by the end of Nixon’s life, he was one of Reagan’s top advisors. He was even advising Nixon, you know the days before he died Nixon was like that respected. Things change when you become an ex-president. It’s like the popular support is there and that’s the most important thing. Trump and the people are lined up and the politicians know it.

Leahy: Neil will there be a trial in the Senate? And if there is, will the former president be convicted?

McCabe: No. There will be a trial. And he will not be convicted.

Carmichael: I believe the Supreme court will have to rule on whether or not it is permissible to have a trial to remove a president after they are not there. I do believe the Supreme Court will take that up.

McCabe: I think the Senate would say thanks for your opinion Supreme Court.

Leahy: None of your business. We’ll deal with it.

Carmichael: We are heading down a very very dangerous road then. Let me ask this question then. If President Trump pardons himself…

McCabe: For what?

Carmichael: Can a president pardon himself under the Constitution?

McCabe: The president can pardon himself. You have two problems. One, he didn’t do anything. And number two you can’t pardon yourself for impeachment because (Inaudible talk)

Carmichael: I’m not talking about impeachment. Can he give himself a broad pardon for anything he committed while he was the president?

McCabe: Yes.

Carmichael: There are people who say he can’t. Should that go to the Supreme Court?

Leahy: Well the question I would ask you Neil is do you believe the president will pardon himself in the next seven days?

McCabe: No.

Leahy: I would agree with that.

Carmichael: I disagree with that.

McCabe: I think there’s going to be a rash of pardons. I think there might be a pre-emptive Stephen K. Bannon pardon. I would look for some of these warriors who are being charged with war crimes by the Pentagon for what they did on our battlefields. I think we may see some of that but you know, Crom, the whole pardon thing, I don’t think Trump will pardon himself because he doesn’t believe what crime would he parked himself for? I can’t think of anything that he could be charged with legally.

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Caller Troy Describes Wednesday’s Trump Rally as Witnessing a Peaceful Gathering Among Trump Supporters Infiltrated by Antifa

Caller Troy Describes Wednesday’s Trump Rally as Witnessing a Peaceful Gathering Among Trump Supporters Infiltrated by Antifa

 

Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. –  host Leahy welcomed a caller named Troy to the newsmakers line who gave a first-hand account of what he saw go down at the Trump rally and the Capitol on Wednesday afternoon.

Leahy: If you were at the Capitol, please call us what you saw and what happened at the Trump rally and then at the Capitol building itself. (Call-in number) We are joined now by Troy who was there at the Capitol and is headed back home after being there. Troy, welcome to the Tennessee Star Report. Tell us what you saw.

Caller Troy: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. What I saw was there were literally and definitely over a million Trump supporters there to support the President and support the Constitution. And there was absolutely no violence among all these people. We had a peaceful event. There was no trash left behind. Patriotic flags and Trump flags all over the place. It was actually the first time I’d been to a Trump event. And it’s the first time I’ve been to a major political event like this.

So there was absolutely nothing that happened amongst all the Trump supporters. You know, when we walked up to the Capitol Trump didn’t say anything that was inciteful. What he said was let’s go up to the Capitol and have our voices heard for this election. This election was clearly stolen. Anybody with two eyes and half a brain can clearly see all the fraud that happened by the Democrat Party. (Inaudible talk)

Leahy: Troy, walk us through what you actually saw once the Trump rally ended. The Trump rally would have ended about 1 p.m. Eastern time I think which is right about when they were beginning to hold the joint session to consider the Electoral College votes submitted to them by the electors, the separate states. Did you walk from the mall to the Capitol how and how long did that take you? What time did you arrive at the Capitol?

Troy: Yes, we walked from the mall to the Capitol. I’d say it was a good 20 to 25-minute walk. We stopped to take pictures. I talked to a few people. And as we’re approaching the Capitol I’d say maybe I got within a quarter-mile of it and I got an alert from the Gateway Pundit and that was the first indication that I saw there were people breaching the perimeter of the Capitol and people were inside.

Leahy: Now, about the breaching of the Capitol. I don’t know if you can tell us first hand what your experience was, but it seemed to me that there was a very limited and a very small police Capitol Police presence outside the building when these tens of thousands of protesters showed up. Did you have any sense as to what level of presence the Capitol Police had?

Troy: No, unfortunately, I didn’t get close enough because of not wanting to get involved with it because we knew Antifa was there. I could see Antifa people in the Trump crowd. I saw people wearing Kevlar helmets with knee pads and elbow pads all dressed in black. This is what a typical Antifa scumbag looks like.

Leahy: Let’s follow up on that. I don’t know if you’ve subsequently seen any of the videos. But you’ve got this police barrier there in front of the Capitol. I don’t know though. It looks like they’re only like half a dozen police there. But there was a crowd that surged forward and overwhelmed the police. I saw some videos of one guy a bearded guy taking a board or something and breaking a window and then people crawling through that. You weren’t close enough to see any of that, were you?

Troy: No, I wasn’t but I’ve seen those videos and those guys are all dressed in black. That’s typical Antifa wear. The picture of the girl sitting at Nancy Pelosi’s desk, that’s a typical Antifa person. You know all of that is a bunch of BS in my opinion. There’s a picture of the guy with the Viking helmet on they have, and you know people on the internet found pictures of that individual at various Antifa rallies. The notion that a bunch of Trump supporters did this after a peaceful day of supporting our country and our Constitution is a bunch of crap in my opinion.

Leahy: Yeah. And you know to me this is what doesn’t resonate with me. I mean I’ve been involved in organizing the Tea Party back in 2009. I’ve been to hundreds of Tea Party rallies. There’s never been any violence from Tea Party people. And I’m looking at these tapes and these individuals that are you know, breaking windows and crawling into the Capitol and they don’t look to me like your typical Tea Party or even a MAGA supporter person. Was that your take as well?

Troy: Yes. It’s clear to me that these were not Trump supporters. I even saw some videos this morning of some skinny kids all dressed in black pushing around cameramen who were there to report on things. You never see Trump supporters do that kind of stuff.

Leahy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s interesting. Well, obviously it’s been reported. And of course, you have a Trump rally, and tens of thousands of people go to the Capitol and they’re all either wearing Trump-related gear many of them and then the Capitol is breached. You can see why those are the reports initially that come out. How many people ultimately were in the Capitol? How many breached the Capitol? And it looked to me like at least 500.

Troy: Yeah, there was a bunch. As I said, I wasn’t close enough. And I would also state that leading up to the rally there were reports going around the internet people had text messages from Antifa groups saying that hey, you know when you wearing your Trump gear make sure you wear your hat backward so that we know who you are.

Leahy: Interesting. Interesting. I saw a lot of people wearing red Trump hats.

Troy: So there were two more videos that I saw from inside the Capitol on Twitter feeds where you see the D.C. police like standing in front of a wide-open door, but kind of egging people to come in. And then there’s another video.

Leahy: Would that be the D.C. police or the Capitol Police? Because the Capitol Police have jurisdiction there.

Troy: Yeah, I guess it was the Capital police. I’m here with the video set that was put on by an internet group called Monkey Works. And somehow they got hold of these feeds. They have a lot of sources out there. And there was another Twitter feed.

Leahy: We got 30 seconds. Troy, where are you from, by the way? Where are you going back to?

Troy: I’m going back to Spring Hill.

Leahy: Good. Well, safe travels Troy, and thank you so much for that first-hand report.

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Photo “Capitol Protest” by Elijah Schaffer.