Live from Music Row Thursday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael to the studio who discussed how justice may be served only based on the color of one’s skin and referenced justice for George Floyd versus that of Ashli Babbit who was murdered on Capitol Hill January 6 on video as well.
Leahy: We are joined now as we almost always are this hour by the original all-star panelist on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday by Crom Carmichael. Crom, we were talking about, I don’t know, I guess we’d call it the disintegration of society. And one element of that is the rule of law and people’s respect for the law. It strikes me, of course, we have Derek Chauvin guilty on all counts verdict in Minneapolis and then the shooting of Daunte Wright. Now a shooting in Columbus of a 16-year-old Black girl with a knife who is attacking other girls, shot dead by a Columbus police officer. Now, that happened yesterday.
Carmichael: Okay, now, first of all, here’s kind of a way that I’m trying to describe this, which is very very close to what you just said. And that is that the difference in how people care about justice.
Leahy: That’s a very good way of framing it.
Carmichael: For example, the people who thought that Chauvin got what he deserved and are thrilled with that verdict don’t care about the woman who was shot, Babbit.
Leahy: Ashli Babbit, the 14 year Air Force veteran, shot and killed by an unnamed police officer. She was unarmed on January 6 in Washington, D.C.
Carmichael: She was not a threat to him but she was just murdered. I mean, if there is such a thing as a police murder, that would be it.
Leahy: Except the Department of Justice disagrees with you, Crom. They’re not filing any charges against that unnamed officer.
Carmichael: It doesn’t matter because I’ve seen the video. And what I’m saying is, is that for the George Floyd people, for the people who think that justice was served, and I’m not even arguing over the verdict. I’m saying just what their argument was. They said you didn’t need anything other than the video. And the video was the evidence. There’s no question about the video being the evidence.
Well, there’s a video that shows an officer raising his gun, pointing it through a barrier to a person who was not a threat to that officer. Through a barrier and shot you right in the chest. Now, that’s on video. And so for the Justice Department to claim that after an investigation, there doesn’t even need to be a trial then the question is, does Babbitt’s family have justice?
Leahy: The answer would be no.
Carmichael: The answer for their family would clearly be no. And the point that I’m trying to make here is that a large part of our society either agrees that bad Babbit’s family doesn’t deserve justice because she was there. Not because of what she was doing, because she wasn’t doing anything. She was there. And the fact that she was there made her so bad that she should be murdered and that that was just.
There are people who believe that. And then there are people who believe that a police officer, for example, now we’ve got this case that you raised in Columbus. Let me be sure I understand that I understood what you said are the circumstances. You had a Black girl who had a knife and she was using it against other girls.
Leahy: She had it in her hand, and she was attacking…
Carmichael: What I’m saying is she was attacking other girls with her knife.
Leahy: That’s what the video shows. The body-cam video shows right now, she is poised with the knife in hand, looking to thrust it at a girl in a pink outfit who was trapped against a car.
Carmichael: Okay. Alright. And then the police officer shot and killed the girl with the knife.
Leahy: Shot and killed the girl with the knife.
Carmichael: And is the last claiming that that was unwarranted?
Leahy: We haven’t seen everything yet on it.
Carmichael: Because there is a video.
Leahy: There is a video that was released late yesterday.
Carmichael: Now, by the way, did you see the video of the girls who hijacked the Muslim Uber driver?
Leahy: The Pakistani driver? I saw that. They hijacked him and killed him.
Carmichael: Killed him. And they were more concerned about their phone still being in his car than they were than the fact that they killed him. And so what I’m saying is, is that in our society now, race seems to determine guilt or innocence. Just race itself. And society won’t last very long if a person is guilty of being a bad person based simply on race. It just won’t.
Leahy: I can’t disagree with that at all.
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Live from Music Row Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael to the studio who outlined the convoluted gun requirements to obtaining a firearm in certain blue states while making it harder for lower-income people to own, and how these resemble Jim Crow voting laws from the past.
(Maxine Waters clip plays)
Leahy: That is Representative Maxine Waters, who is Black and who is a Democrat and was up in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, the site of the second police shooting of a young Black man or the shooting of a young Black man who was resisting arrest and sounds like inciting violence to me. In Florida Ron DeSantis doesn’t like that kind of idea Crom.
Carmichael: What Maxine Waters said there was, we need to stay in the streets, correct?
Leahy: That is what she said. Now, the Constitution allows us to peaceably, assemble to address the government with our grievances. That’s what the Constitution allows. What Ron DeSantis and the Republicans in Florida have done is they’ve passed legislation that essentially says that if your protest turns to intimidation that is by definition of their law, not peaceful.
And so mostly peaceful in Florida won’t fly anymore. And if it’s two or more people, two or more people. I remember seeing videos, for example, of all the riots all over the country. But I also saw videos in Washington, D.C., outside of the Capitol, where you had some protesters, and they were just like the protesters in so many cities across the country that were acting intimidatingly against the Capitol Hill police. In Florida that will be an arrestable offense. That will be a felony, not a misdemeanor.
Leahy: There’s no state law, apparently that addresses that in Minnesota although there are certain constitutional elements to it. Here’s the story about Waters, from Breitbart. Waters in her remarks to reporters, that a protest in Brooklyn Center, where thousands have been protesting the death of Daunte Wright encouraged people to ‘take to the streets if Chauvin (Derk Chauvin the officer charged with, I think second-degree murder in the death of George Floyd back in May) we’re looking for a guilty verdict,’ Waters said.
‘And we are looking to see if all of the talk that took place and has been taking place. And after they saw what happened to George Floyd, if nothing does happen, then we know that we’ve got to not only stay in the street, but we’ve got to fight for justice.’ That’s what she said. That sounds like inciting violence to me.
Carmichael: Sure does. I would like to compare that to anything that Trump said. Trump didn’t say anything like that.
Leahy: Nothing like that.
Carmichael: And they’re claiming that Trump said this. But if I could, Michael, let me do a Jen Psaki here and circle back.
Leahy: Jen Psaki, the incompetent Press Secretary for Joe Biden.
Carmichael: No, she’s actually quite competent. She just provides zero information. She’s very competent. She does have information. She does exactly what the Biden administration wants her to do.
Leahy: Which is to give no information.
Carmichael: Which is to provide nothing. But anyway, let me give you some more information. We’ve talked about this previously, the Jim Crow laws. First of all the Jim Crow laws were passed post-Civil War by the Democrats in the South. This is extremely important that we recognize as it was the Democrats in the South who passed the Jim Crow laws. What did the Jim Crow laws do? They did two primary things. Anyway, the two things: one is they imposed poll taxes to make it expensive to vote.
Leahy: Right.
Carmichael: And the other is they set up certain standards and certain procedures, things that you had to pass in order to have the right to vote. And those were disproportionate. They truly did subdue the Black vote.
Leahy: Absolutely.
Carmichael: Absolutely did that. Now, let’s look at Illinois, and let’s look at Indiana. Of the people in Illinois, less than have a firearm. In Indiana 20 percent have firearms. And in Indiana, the cost of applying for a firearm is $12. In Illinois, it’s $450. Democrats control Illinois. Are Democrats trying to keep low-income people from owning a firearm?
Leahy: From legally owning.
Carmichael: From legally owning. Great point. The violence in Illinois is terrible. The violence in Chicago is terrible. The people committing the violence, do not own legal guns.
Leahy: And there are usually illegal guns.
Carmichael: These are mostly illegal guns. And so in Illinois, it is the Democrats who are trying to have a poll tax as it were on the right on the right of self-protection. Now in Illinois, you have to have 16 hours of training. If you live in the city of Chicago, you have to drive a long long way away to get training. But you have to have 16 hours. And that’s also expensive because you have to pay for the training.
Leahy: Pay for the training.
Carmichael: But that means if you tried to do it in two full days, eight hours a day, you’d have to drive someplace and stay overnight. So what they’re doing is they’re making it as difficult as possible in Illinois for a low-income Black person in Chicago to own a gun.
Leahy: Legally.
Carmichael: Legally. That is the definition. What the Democrats are doing in Illinois to keep black people from protecting themselves is the essence of Jim Crow.
Leahy: It’s a Second Amendment suppression.
Carmichael: It is Second Amendment suppression. No question about that. But it is the tactics. It is the tactics that they’re using. They’re making it expensive, and they’re making it almost like you have to jump through all kinds of hoops. And the results are that Black people, especially in Chicago, the honest Black people, which is the vast majority they can’t afford the time or the money to protect themselves. And the police and the mayor simply aren’t able to do it. For whatever reason, they aren’t doing it. And so this is resulting in murder. This is resulting in death. And it’s all Jim Crow gun laws. Jim Crow Gun laws.
Leahy: You make a very fine point there, Crom.
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