Live from Music Row, Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael in studio to criticize American libertarian-conservative political commentator and author George Will and the lack of true statesmen across the country.
Leahy: Crom, you’ve got a bone to pick with George Will?
Carmichael: It’s not so much a bone to pick, because this is Barton Swaim who is writing an article about George Will and talking about how George Will has been this stalwart over the years for limited government. I see George Will as an advocate for political failure.
That’s the way that I’ve always viewed George Will when he decided to resign from the Republican Party because of Trump. If you’ll recall, George Will was a big George Bush the second supporter. He liked them both, and they both spent money like I’m not going to say like Democrats, but they both spent money.
George W. Bush expanded Medicare dramatically. He was quoted as saying, we have a responsibility that when somebody hurts, government has got to move. If that statement is true, then that means that there is no limit as to how much government would spend or waste in order to help a single person.
Leahy: A lot of people hurt.
Carmichael: A lot of people hurt.
Leahy: They hurt during the era of the founding of the country, and the government didn’t always jump in and fix their hurt.
Carmichael: No. The point is, there will always be people who are hurting. And so if the federal government is looked upon as both the repair of hurt, of first and last resort, then slowing government spending, keeping us from going, by the way, giant deficits cause more people to hurt. It’s self-inflicted. That quote was by George W. Bush in 2003 shortly before signing a law to expand Medicare.
Leahy: This was five years before he announced that he was breaking the laws of the free market in order to save the free market. Remember that?
Carmichael: Is that George W. Bush?
Leahy: George W.
Carmichael: But George Will historically stood at the center of cutting back on entitlements, which is politically a political loser if you recognize that what motivates the left is the power and money that comes from government. George Will, intellectually, he’s actually a lightweight. His time has come and gone.
Leahy: His time has come and gone.
Carmichael: And I’m not sure his time ever came, but it’s gone.
Leahy: That’s a good point, because he was a big opponent of Ronald Reagan in the early days. When Reagan was running against George W. Bush.
Carmichael: I have no idea. If George Will could do whatever he wanted to do I have no idea what George Will would want to do. He’s a lightweight. He comes across as serious, but he’s always been kind of a lightweight.
Michael, I’m not sure that when it comes to true statesmen, they are few and far between. When I look across the world, I don’t see anyone who stands out as a great statesperson in any of our major institutions.
Leahy: Our major institutions have gone into a world where they accept certain propaganda, right, shall we say? They’re not particularly intellectually honest. In fact, they’re the exact opposite of intellectually honest.
Carmichael: And part of the problem is that you have people like The Wall Street Journal opinion page that became so angry and upset with Donald Trump’s victory. Donald Trump has many shortcomings, but the shortcomings have more to do with his persona than they do with his policy.
Leahy: Let me follow up on this Crom. It’s very interesting that you mentioned that, because there is of course, I don’t know if the country wants to see a rematch of 70, then it’ll be 78-year-old Donald Trump against 82-year-old Joe Biden. I don’t think the country necessarily is looking forward to that.
But the ABC- Washington Post poll came out, and despite all of the missteps that Donald J. Trump has had since he left the presidency, the latest poll has him up 48-45 over Joe Biden. On the big issues of foreign policy, who would you rather have? Donald J. Trump or Joe ‘Surrender’ Biden?
Carmichael: I said that Trump’s policies were good. His personal way of handling himself leaves a great deal to be desired, and I think it actually hurt his ability to accomplish things. Now, having said that, there’s a lot between here and here in the next election.
Leahy: There is an awful lot between here and the next election.
Carmichael: And I think that we are going to find out from Biden sometime by the middle of March through the end of March at the latest, whether or not he intends to run for re-election.
Leahy: By the way, we could roll tape on this Crom. But I think someone in this studio made a prediction.
Carmichael: Yes. That he wouldn’t serve out his term.
Leahy: Someone made that prediction.
Carmichael: I think that probably was me.
Leahy: I think it probably was.
Carmichael: My prediction is he’d be gone by now.
Leahy: I think your prediction was he’d be gone by April.
Carmichael: Well, I think he’ll be gone. (Leahy laughs) That would be then one of those predictions that turns out to be incorrect.
Listen to today’s show highlights, including this interview:
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Live from Music Row Monday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed retired attorney and blog creator of Misrule of Law Mark Pulliam to the newsmakers line to discuss his recent piece at American Greatness entitled Surrendering the Public Square where he sounds the alarm on churches going woke.
Leahy: We are joined on our newsmaker line now by our very good friend, Mark Pulliam, a California refugee and retired attorney. He moved to town in East Tennessee back in 2019.
He blogs at Law and Liberty. Mark, I am troubled as you are by the disappearance of Christian leaders from the public square. Tell us about your latest column on that.
Pulliam: Well, good morning, Michael. I’m always pleased to be here. What is going on in American churches is the same thing that’s been going on in other institutions in the United States. And that is the left is completing its long march through the institutions.
And this has been a goal of theirs since the mid 20th century. And they have managed to take over the Democratic Party, higher education, Hollywood, the media, Big Tech, and even corporate America.
But now the left is intent on taking over organized religions. And, in fact, many Protestant denominations have gotten woke. This trend has been apparent for some time, with the Episcopals, the Methodists, and the Presbyterians. Many of us in the South at least kind of look to the Southern Baptist denomination as being a refuge.
But even the Southern Baptist Church has gotten woke. And so my town has dozens of Baptist churches and we have visited many of them since we moved here looking for conventional and traditional Christian preaching.
And what we found instead is social justice being advocated and not just middle of the road social justice, but critical race theory, Marxism, left-wing politics, basically. And so I decided to write this piece.
And even as I was writing it, the Southern Baptist Convention was having its annual meeting in Nashville, a meeting that attracted 14,000 delegates. And at that meeting, literally days after this piece got posted a couple of weeks ago, they were going to pick their new President.
And they picked, in a contest between a liberal Ed Linton and a conservative, Mike Stone by a narrow margin, they picked the liberal. So even the Southern Baptist Convention seems to be headed down the wrong road, and it’s something that should be troubling to us all.
Leahy: You know, I’ve noticed the same thing. It is very difficult anywhere in America today to find a Christian Church that is not promoting the heretical critical race theory-social justice view of the world. That’s my opinion. Would you agree or disagree with my statement?
Pulliam: No. And I think many people agree with you. If you look at the numbers, the church attendance is declining, religious affiliations in America are declining. And the Southern Baptist Convention, which has been and continues to be the largest Protestant denomination, it’s declining.
And it peaked about 15 years ago at 17,000,000 members and it has lost 2,000,000 members since then and has lost a million members since 2017. Many people look to churches, that’s the way they were raised, to receive a spiritual message.
Something different than this world. If they wanted to listen to leftist propaganda, they could tune into CNN or MSNBC. And when they go to church and they hear the same table being offered up, they decide, well, either I’m going to stay home on Sunday and sleep in, or I’m going to switch over to a non-denominational mega-church or fundamentalist church.
And in fact, those congregations are growing even as the mainline churches are shrinking. So the expression is get woke, go broke. And I think some of the mainline churches are experiencing exactly that phenomenon.
Leahy: There is. And I’m going to be blunt here, there is cowardice among many Christian leaders today in the country and at the local level. That’s my view.
If you were to go into one of these mainline churches that is promoting hat is promoting critical race theory, and you said, if you tell the preacher, well, you’re a coward and you tell the elders you are cowards and you’re heretical, what kind of response do you think you’d get?
Pulliam: Well, they would deny it, but it’s undeniably true, I think. And I grew up. I’m not ancient. I’m a boomer. But what you expected to hear from faith leaders is opposition to abortion, pornography is immoral, homosexuality is immoral, and drug abuse is wrong.
And now they’re silent. Or if they’re not silent, they are fighting homelessness or racism or promoting social justice and inclusion. It’s like they’ve turned away. What I titled my piece at American Greatness, Surrendering the Public Square.
That it’s not even like the liberals have pushed them out of the public square they have abandoned it voluntarily. And not only abandon it, have taken up the mantle of the left. The faith leaders in my town who have the most prominent public role are leftists.
One of them leads the local chapter of the NAACP. The other is a diversity consultant here. And this is in a county where conservatives outnumber liberals 70 percent to 30 percent or more. So where is our voice? I think a lot of them are sensitive to peer pressure.
They don’t want to be regarded by the voices in the media as intolerant or not being inclusive. And so they have trimmed their sails accordingly. Some of it you can look at as well, the seminaries are loading up younger pastors with this stuff.
But I think a lot of it is just an unwillingness to lead or to go against the current, which is exactly why somebody would choose to be a faith leader in order to go against the current.
Leahy: You put this link in your story to a group run by a pastor called Genesis Diversity Solutions. And I’m looking at this picture of the folks there. They’re about 20 people, two Black people, 18 White people in the picture of this group. They talk about our experience.
Here’s what they talk about. Racial equity and sensitivity. Creating healthy workplace cultures. Understanding our unconscious biases. The importance of diversity in a 2021 world and restorative practices. And now they charge companies to do this it looks like, is that right?
Pulliam: Companies and even worse, local school systems. This fellow, who is a local minister, at least, that’s his part-time gig, I think he might be a diversity consultant full time.
But he works for each of the local school districts providing diversity training to staff members. And one of the school districts formed a diversity task force. And of course, they picked him to be one of the people serving on the task force.
He’s the only faith leader serving. Our county has probably 200 churches. The school district picked the most left-wing clergyman to serve on this. One of the things that he posted this fellow is during last year, during the height of the George Floyd rioting, he posted something on the Genesis Diversity Consulting Facebook page that said, you shouldn’t be objecting to the rioting. You should be objecting to what it is that’s causing the rioting.
Leahy: Nothing says law and order like that.
Pulliam: And it’s nihilistic that if a faith leader cannot even stand up and oppose anarchy, lawlessness, arson, and rioting, then what kind of moral compass is he guided by? This is very troubling. It’s nothing but left-wing politics dressed up in religious clothing. And it’s just one more form of indoctrination.
And we wonder, why do our young people follow this? Well, they’re being told this in every grade from K through 12. They’re being told this in college. And now they’re being told it from the pulpit on Sundays.
Leahy: Reverend Ben Lewis is listed at this Genesis Diversity Solutions. Partnerships with, from his website, Maryville City Schools, Blunt County Schools, and Alcoa City Schools. And they say, ‘We’re greater Nashville’s diversity professional.’
Pulliam: It’s outrageous. And I wonder, when are people going to wake up and look at what’s going on around them and start demanding answers? Why are we permitting this? It’d be one thing if this was happening in Portland or Austin or Minneapolis, but this is happening in the heart of the Bible Belt in one of the most conservative parts of America.
And it’s happening right in front of us. I’ve been accused by my liberal critics of fancying myself as the Paul Revere of East Tennessee. (Leahy laughs)
Leahy: Anytime you report the truth, you are going to being criticized.
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