Live from Music Row Wednesday morning on The Tennessee Star Report with Michael Patrick Leahy – broadcast on Nashville’s Talk Radio 98.3 and 1510 WLAC weekdays from 5:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. – host Leahy welcomed the original all-star panelist Crom Carmichael to the studio to discuss the power of the administrative estate through the alignment of political appointees and bureaucrats.

(Congressman Scott Perry clips plays)

Leahy: That’s Florida Republican Congressman Scott Perry talking about the Biden agenda as it goes to infrastructure. Crom, you have more insights on that agenda.

Carmichael: The agenda and infrastructure. The hardest part for the Republicans, if they vote in favor of a scaled-down infrastructure bill, is knowing what’s actually in the final bill. Because the way that Washington works sometimes is, like Pelosi, said about Obamacare. We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.

And she literally meant that. She didn’t care what was in it. She knew some of the things that were in it, but she wasn’t going to extol the virtue of some of those things because they were terrible. And Obamacare was an abject failure.

But I want to get back, Michael, to what we were talking about earlier. Let me just say this. ESG equals CCP. ESG equals CCP. Communist Party of China equals ESG. Here’s how this works. You’ve got this guy from BlackRock who goes around with all this money that he has under management, telling these CEOs what they have to do.

But behind him, he has the giant stick of the federal government, the SEC. And in the case of banks, the FDIC. He is telling banks what they must do or the FDIC comes down on the banks.

Leahy: Well Dan Grant in here yesterday, he’s with 2nd Vote Advisers to push back on Larry Fink’s BlackRock told us all the major banks, all the big banks, are really leftists promoting this agenda.

Carmichael: And my response to that is that might be true, but they have no choice under this administration. They have no choice. If you are the head of a major bank and you defy the authorities in Washington, what happens to you?

Leahy: You are no longer the head of that major bank.

Carmichael: And then the person who takes that position as head of the bank will then do will then bend the knee. Whoever is in that position will bend the knee.

Leahy: I might quibble with you a little bit on this. The Biden administration went into office on January 20, 2021. The left-leaning nature of big banks has been around for years before that.

Carmichael: I’m not questioning whether or not the administrative state was doing under Trump things that Trump didn’t want. I’m not questioning that at all. In fact, in Washington, as we’ve said, 94 percent voted Democrat. 94 percent. Do you think that those people care who is the President United States when they’re protected by civil service laws?

Leahy: So the argument is that even though the previous President would not have supported these things, the administrative state was able to influence these large banks in ways that they kept doing what they were doing under Obama.

Carmichael: Yeah. They kept doing exactly the same thing. And so the question becomes when a person becomes President, he or she as a matter of law, require that the people who work for the administration or carry out the policies of the administration or lose their job if they don’t?

And what I’m saying is that’s an open question. Political appointees can be fired, but that represents less than one-tenth of one percent of the people in Washington, D.C. For every political appointee, there are 1,000 bureaucrats.

Leahy: There’s one little twist on that, which is it seems to me under the Biden Mal-administration, my words, not yours, that the political appointees and the deep state bureaucrats are aligned in the ways that they weren’t aligned under Trump.

Carmichael: Yes. What I’m saying is that under Trump, the bureaucrats simply ignored what the political appointee said. Now, on the other hand, the political appointees are in line with the bureaucrat.

Leahy: And aren’t they a little more brazen and aggressive?

Carmichael: Of course. So that’s what I’m saying. That’s why publicly traded companies are holding these shaming sessions. They’re holding them. They are actually happening. And then the military, Austin.

You didn’t hear there weren’t any congressional hearings. There wasn’t anything. He just sent out a dictate that says that the code of Military Justice, when it comes to cases of sexual harassment will no longer be in the military.

They’re being put in the civilian arena. So, people who won’t be judged by their military higher-ups, they’ll be judged by the Justice Department.

Leahy: When we hear all this Crom, you know, our listeners are going to say, how can we survive the next three and a half years as a constitutional Republic?

Carmichael: Well, for me, the question is not how do we survive the next three and a half years? It really isn’t. The question is, can this ship be turned around, even if you control the presidency, the House, and the Senate? Can you do that? Because I do think in the midterms I do think that we’ll retake at least the House.

Leahy: Yeah, I agree with that.

Carmichael: And I think there’s a good chance that we will win the Senate. But a lot of what’s going on right now in Washington is trying to position Democrats for the next election. Krysten Sinema has written an article or a column in The Washington Post about how strongly she feels about the filibuster.

She’s up for reelection in 2024. She knows that’s going to be a very tough election because she’ll be running as a Democrat against when the Republican for the presidency could be Trump or could be a Trumpian.

Leahy: Like a DeSantis would be the betting odds right now.

Carmichael: And she also recognizes that the voting rules in Maricopa County will be different in 2020.

Leahy: The Arizona state legislature has done a fine job in improving the election.

Carmichael: It has eliminated much of the cheating. So she recognizes that. So she is trying to position herself, even though she doesn’t believe anything she’s writing.

Leahy: By the way. We’re launching tomorrow, The Arizona Sun Times.

Carmichael: Oh good.

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